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Very nice. I hope the gloves wash clean. I tend to keep mine indoors. Either near the coats and the front door, or in the wardrobe. I understand some sports detergents have chemicals to keep the nasties down.
Oddly, some zips don't like being left cold and damp. It could be metal ones. They can be cleaned up.

Well done!

*applause* ...this reads like what I should have been doing, as I've got a London place in four weeks... but I haven't 🙄

Good progress.

Great progress

Good stuff!👍 .With you completely on no.7

This is fab!

A satisfying month! I’m about where you are with the cycling.

As long as it's not reminding me of HMRC 'Chat' boxes. There are several hours I'll never get back..

I like it Very good, Sir (apart from my inability to read!)

Hopefully it doesn't.

Thank you phal and Corrah for giving it a try.

Nice
Looking forward to this

I work for West Ham. In finance though. I'll ask the media team tomorrow. Normally work experience people are only a week though

What weeks would he want to work? (If he can commute to Stratford?)

That could definitely be a possibility BC I have asked him to confirm the dates - and if he only got one week out of it, that could still be a great experience for him.

What about British triathlon at Loughborough

Or even the university as they have lots of sports including team gb

Would it be better for him to try local newspapers or radio stations, rather than the sports clubs?

Thanks Pix, I’d wondered about Loughborough.

HF? - I think he’s tried one local newspaper. There aren’t many about.

He could try the BBC...wherever you want to do work experience with them, whether local radio or whatever, you have to go on the main BBC website and register there and (from what I remember when my friend's student daughter did it) you then list the kind of things you are interested in and they let you know what's available that would work. My friend's daughter got to work on some really interesting things and they gave her a fantastic reference for her next applications etc.

He could also see if the local BBC station needs any extra help on their sports show - but be aware that BBC local radio is going through a huge period of change (by which I mean cuts) at the moment and they themselves may not even know what they are doing this summer at the moment.

Thank you BBL, that’s useful.

No help here unless he wants to do sports translation but great pic

My mate is a press officer for the RSPCA, what about contacting them and other charities?

My word how he has grown.

Boy is suddenly a man 🤯😱

Have toilet, will travel. I will also ask about

He's so grown up!!!!

My daughter got experience at Aberdeen FC Community Trust some years ago, I know it's a long way! But I would be happy for him to have our spare room for the few weeks. x

Also saw this….. JOIN THE MIGHTY MO MEDIA TEAM

Montrose FC are looking to recruit one, or a number of people with an interest, experience and/or expertise in any and all forms of media to join their small team of dedicated volunteers.

From pre-match build-up, to full match day coverage and post-match interviews, analysis and reporting, we have a range of opportunities for the right candidate/s.

A knowledge and interest in the Club is preferable but not essential.

Please contact secretary@montrosefc.co.uk for more details.

I wonder if it might be worth taking a look at "Fans with laptops" - Jarrod Kimber's course on sports writing. Kimber's an (excellent) cricket journalist, but a lot of what he talks about is relevant to all sports. sportswriting.teachable.com

I have connections in the trail sphere, particularly UTHC. That would fit into the other-sport, end of summer, abroad division.

Excellent!

Cool 👍 shall try and do my bit, as it were 😃

I've posted to my clubs forum. I wonder if anyone will sign up?

No douchebags? I'll get my coat...

Nobody tell the misanthropes.

I heard that.

Ooh, just got the first badge!

Have tweaked the text and posted it to a certain orange site :D strava.com

You don't get rid of misanthropes that easily.

How do I save this location if I need to find the blog post again! Sorry having brain technical issues! I think I’ve managed to share my link to Facebook and Instagram but you know how much I love badges and want to continue promoting this excellent site going forward! 😂

It's under People > Tell A Friend

I told both my friends about Fetch quite a while ago. They both signed up 😁. I didn't get a badge 😞.

Review link followed

Thank you for such a helpful blog.

Understood

Nice 😁

Good work

Sounds good.

Nice. I'll go for the free draw option. Thanks Fetch. Good luck with breaking the Foogle stranglehold! G

Oops that was a typo - but I quite like it! G

Saw it on Twitter and wondered why I couldn't see it here. Good move.

I'd happily turn ads back on if they were more relevant

Thank you. I wouldn’t have spotted this. I don’t mind the occasional relevant advert.

Thank you

I like sweatshop - don't mind seeing ads for useful/relevant companies.

I like Sweatshop. Used the shop in Nottingham and used the gait analysis + testing the shoes out.

Sweatshop was brought by sports direct. As was lovell sports who are the current company running the sweatshop brands. It takes a bit of tracking back through companies house but lovell sports is registered to the same address as sports direct.

find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk sd

find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk lovell sports

sweatshop.com sweatshop address

I should add i have no issue with sports direct.

Last time I visited a sweatshop store was when I won runner of the month at parkrun a few years ago. I didn’t even realise that they didn’t have shops anymore

Well now I understand why the "find your nearest store" on the Sweatshop website returns no results for "Any" location lol.

I'm in! Thank you. 😃

Me too (run/walk only this time)! Thanks. 😀

me three

Pass me a pen.

Run/walk for me.

😀

excellent. Have i missed the detail on the theme?

still haven't finished last years yet sign me up !

is there a forum thread?

There’s a link on the challenge page.

I still haven’t finished last years lol 😂

😃 best route ever 😉

Yay!!!!😃

Yippee! Motivation, just when I needed it! I’m in

The reason I signed up to Fetch originally!!

I thought of these before as I have heard such good things but it was the eyesight thing that put me off
now I hardly swim so problem solved haha

Wouldn't a goggle eye be a lens?

I was thinking cup. Not sure why. They sound AMAZING. Like Terminator. Do you leave your glasses on the side then? I'm similar to Katie, and I either swim in lenses or prescription goggles so wouldn't be lens-less in these. It's too difficult to see once you get out.

That is so cool I think I’ll start to swim just to get those goggles

But do they upload the stats to Fetch? Look amazing though. If you’re going to wear them for an organised event double check the rules. Some events ban tech, or at least change the category from unassisted to assisted.

I thought cup as well!

They do look great, but my optician warned me off wearing contact lenses while swimming, so I would need a version of these with prescription lenses (presumably that is theoretically possible?).

Nice, but ... how much!? Also, doesn't your pool have a pool clock? (Where I've been recently the time has been on large led screens.) Working out your splits and paces is good mental exercise

I'm not much of a swimmer, but my wife bought me a pair of these for my birthday a few years ago. (We'd planned to give open water a good go, since there's a NOWCA site literally a 400 metres from our front door - but then covid did a number on both of us which put paid to that). I do go for the occasional pool session though.

I find them fairly comfortable. I'm long sighted (age related - I wear +2.0 glasses for reading, but that's about it), and can read the screen on the goggles clearly without correction.
I also have a Polar Verity Sense HR monitor, and they work well with that.

They're pretty neat, and I can see them being useful for someone that takes swimming even semi-seriously. To be brutally honest, I don't think they're particularly good value for someone that swims at my level - but you can take them from my when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.

I think that's a fair point.

Yea I think it’s a good idea

Of course they should be.

If indoor cycling is excluded, treadmill running should be excluded too.

Does that mean that people may only play if they have a GPS device?

Yes (not unlike several other Fetch games and challenges), although if you don’t have a GPS, you can get apps for your phone.

Has anyone done research on how accurate they are compared to GPS devices? I would but I've already voted Meh.

It is not just the distance which makes treadmill runs questionable for UTMOST (and any other pace-based games/events) but the treadmill conditions - totally flat, wind free, smooth reliable surface with no bumps, no changes of direction, constant speed of the belt, etc. which all enable higher speeds to be run for the same effort than outside runs.

Does a manually entered race time count for the standings? I know it used to be based purely on race times but can’t remember now

What happens if you have calibrated your treadmill? What happens if you run under trees and your GPS goes wonky? All activities can be plagued with bad data I say don’t victimise treadies

For me it’s less the accuracy than the ability to set a pace and keep it. That’s much harder outdoors.

Pothunter makes a good point.

There's a bit of fuzzy wording around the use of «unreliable». I would guess that treadmill measurements are consistently biased one way or the other, and consistently different in difficulty from outside running. GPS measurements, in contrast, tend to be a bit tandomly plus/minus, and outdoor varying conditions also create more random «noise» probably resembling a bell curve around the «true» estimate of WAVA. For the reason of trying to eliminate systematic biases I vote for treadmill exclusion.

It does start to beg the question of how far you go to make it fair? You can do a mile downhill with a tail wind which is equally unfair? Or there is a 10k down Cheddar gorge which is all down hill with some very fast times if your legs can handle it. But that is just me being contrary, I agree with the idea of banning treadmill times from UTMOST.

Needs an I don't mind either way comment. Usual caveat around common sense pace and mileage

I do most of my runs on the treadmill and think they should be excluded. It is so inaccurate. I alter the distance on my watch before it uploads so the distance is correct but the pace still shows as way quicker than it really was.

Also, please could they be removed from Benchmarks too? I find my Benchmarks useless as there are so many false treadmill ones, but too time consuming to remove them all individually.

I didn’t realise treadmill times were allowed, given that Zwift cycling isn’t.

I find them useful but I've fitted a Runn Treadmill Sensor to my treadmill so I'm confident in the data accuracy I get. I've never been able to beat a real world race time on my treadmill so would suspect those people faster on their treadmills than outdoors are benefiting from an inaccurate measurement.

I don't think I could raise a bigger "Meh" if I tried.

Whilst dreadmills can be inaccurate, so can GPS. My Garmin assures me that the London Marathon route is over 27 miles long. It isn't, of course, but it does go through Canary Wharf, which is always good for some GPS jitter).
I've seen some *really* wild numbers from GPS (e.g. my GPS-derived 1k benchmark - despite a *lot* of manual pruning of Really Unlikely Numbers - is 3:28. I can say without fear of contradiction that is well over a minute quicker than I've ever run 1km in my entire life)

Of course, it makes very little difference to me, as I'm languishing in the top half of D27 (a position which is due to distance, not pace - if I hadn't had the sheer bloody-mindedness to grind out a 3hr+ HM, I'd be in, or near, the relegation zone. An event, that in itself, has it's own set of substantial GPS tomfoolery).

Ooh, I appear to be a clever sausage!

I've sorted both mine that I had fmails about. I usually spot the 'taken too long' ones, I think both of these were that

I was surprised how many I had. A few seemed to where the same thing was uploaded twice, which I could not explain and somehow didn't notice at the time ...

That worked really well for me thanks, Fetch. I had one duplicate that was way back, in November 2011. Wouldn't have spotted it without the prompt.

I’m also a clever sausage 😉

I’ve cleaned up the duplicates thrown up. They were nearly all in 2016 for some reason. Hopefully all sorted now or I’ll never reach the next distance milestone.

I've zapped my dupes now. Only had a half-dozen or so (so far). I think I had a couple of bike ones where I probably had the bike Garmin going as well as my wrist Garmin. No idea how the running/walking ones happened.

I had none The thing I need to do sometime is go back through old training log entries and put more accurate labels on some of my sessions. But I don't need a notification saying, "This session averaged forty minutes per mile, are you SURE you were running?"

Good job I don't do those then V'rap.

My four reported duplicates were all from 2016. I don't know how they happened. Maybe my Garmin watch transferred them to Garmin Connect twice? It's not as if one was manual and the other automatic - they were in each case exact copies of each other. It's as if the Garmin site "forgot" that it had already grabbed a copy from the watch once.

mine that popped up as duplicates were non watch ones that I manually logged - particularly commutes. 3 miles and 3 miles, but as I didn't change the time (I didn't care/think to) just wanted to remember I did it, it popped up as a duplicate. I've then changed distances slightly, and times slightly - so not actual duplicates, just lazy entries!

Sorted all mine out 😁

I had maybe ten (more from 2016 than any other year), and most of them had comments on saying something like "the track didn't upload, needed to upload it manually". I have occasionally logged things twice on purpose to compare different devices, but there I'd been deliberately deleting any duplicates that did come through.

I’m also a clever sausage

so when I ran what I thought was my 30,000th mile and cried and jubilantly punched the air and went down on my hands and knees etc etc. ....it wasn't a few duplicates.

Another clever sausage here

One from 2013 well spotted

Not so much a clever sausage for me. It says I am now, but only because I fixed the ones Fetch set me.

I had one duplicate but am now in The Sausage Club *oooer!*

I’m a clever sausage now I’ve deleted the three the system threw up. - again they were 2016, someth odd must have been occuring then

Bloody Brexit

I cleared mine when the fmails arrived, so now I'm a clever sausage too

I had one notification a few weeks back and cleared that. Just checked now and I'm in the clever sausage club

I was a stupid salami.

I like being a clever sausage. Good work Fetch.

Your Training Log Duplicates
The following entries appear to be duplicated in your training log.
Congratulations, you are free from duplicates. Well done you clever sausage

*polishes halo*

I'm glad you didn't say sausage.

I'm also a clever sausage...mainly because I did address your fmails a while back so all dupes had been removed.

I'm a nearly sausage - one duplicate from 2016 which has now been sorted.

I just happen to like running the same distance as I walk in the same day

If you do both at exactly the same speed, something's gone very wrong.

In response to your email a while ago I attended to some duplicate entries, but was at a loss to understand why they were there. Is it a glitch in the Garmin Connect software or is it at the FE end? I’ve never knowing uploaded training twice and I’m not sure that I could.

I had one from ages ago which I sorted

I'm a clever sausage, too. Last month, I cleaned up a couple of walking entries that were duplicates, occurring in July 2018 and July 2021. No idea how that happened, must be a glitch in the matrix. Because they were the normal short walks to shops in the vicinity, I probably didn't spot them as duplicates because those distances always pop up in my log.

I suppose i'm vegan sausage. I started off with bits and pieces of all sorts but now the packet says sausage.

When highlighting can you put heart rate or power as a display option (but not a comparison option)?

Over keen - managed to delete one of my duplicate pairs! But other than that - all tidied up now

I wasn't a clever sausage but that was a lot of duplicates only had a few

Sorted, although I suspect I'm now a bit further away from my next mileage badge than before!

A list with some ticked entries and some unticked entries ... nothing compares ...

Nicely done 👍

Frobscottled. My challenge for the week is to try and get that into a conversation! I hadn't realised trig points weren't all concrete blocks on top of mountains, have been quite surprised to have ticked a few off in unlikely places.

Frobscottle is what the BFG drinks. It makes him fart a lot.

Could make for an interesting conversation piece then

I was actually quite tense reading this.

It's 117m for me to get the milk from here. You do live in Flatland, don't you, lucky fella! My request for a feature to filter out the different categories is because it's so chock full around here! You should come up on a Fetch hill run visit. _andy could take you out and get you dozens in a single outing, I would think! G

Are you trying to finish Fetch off, G ?

Good adventuring!

Now this presents an ethical problem. Traditionally a trig point isn't bagged until you lay hands on it, so have you really bagged it? Bit like Wainwrights really. I'm hoping there's a way to relinquish ones I haven't "properly" bagged (as haven't checked yet).

ordnancesurvey.co.uk
This may help explain things...