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I didn't realise the Royal Horticultural Society were so versatile. Are they branching out? (I'll get my coat....no hang on, hoodie)

Is there a size guide anywhere?

My order is in and I'm sure it won't be the last order from our household.

Ordered

I’d be grateful for sizing info too.

Ordered!

ooooooooo

I'm liking the zipped green one, again can you let me know sizing.
I'm seeing it as a WFH keep me warm top.

I'm spending so much time WFH in hoodies I might need a zipped and a non-zipped one, especially as they're in slightly different colours of green.

Zipped sizes:

No zip sizes:

bugger no XS zipped....this is a tragedy

oh but it is there in the shop. Its mine all mine

Done!

ordered and paid. I just assumed XS would be same a small in ladies so fingers crossed

Goodie!

Ordered green zip up. Is it Sherwood Forest Green or Nottingham Forest Green?

so ....... does "1/2 chest" mean that is the measurement of half of the garment or half of the human please?

I assume it’s relating to the garment.

I'd like a green zipped one but I don't understand the sizing. I m a size 14/16 and 36 inch chest. I usually buy XL in Adidas. Can anyone advise on what I should order please?

Ordered and paid, cheers Fetch

I’m a 14 and 99cm bust - I went L on the grounds I’d rather it was baggy than skimpy

Thank you HellsBells. I'm going to order a large also. I think the XL might be too big for me xx

Woo hoo! I've ordered and paid. Thanks Fetch. x

ordered and paid and fmail sent as I am a bit stupid 🙃

Thank you! I'm excited. I went with M on the grounds that the S I have in red is too small.

Gone a bit weird and ordered one with a zip because that means I can justify having one.

I assume calling them Avoid Everyone Hoodies is a slip and they don’t have the avoid logo anywhere?

Ordered a forest green zipped one as that was preferred option anyway! Hopefully a small fits!

And bonners is not alone, I have more fetch kit than normal kit now I think

I have literally no idea how those measurments work and was going to go XS. Having seen Linds comment I am having doubts. If Linds is medium surely I can't be a XS. Eek!

How many orders did you get Fetch ?

I like

looks good, can we have a back view? Though to be awkward I find navy blue a bit school uniformy.....

But are there pockets? Cool otherwise.

Smart

Looks good. I’d like to see the back view too.

um - yes, there are pockets on both the zip and non-zip hoodies.
Doc - struggling to find an image of the back in the right colour. But the logo will be a large one around the bottom-of-the-shoulder-blade sort of height.

They look awesome!

Navy definitely has school uniform connotations for me, I'm afraid, and doesn't go with black jeans.

A nice bottle/racing green on the other hand...

(sorry, I'm being difficult, aren't I?)

Thanks fetch.
Navy, bottle green, lemon yellow. Xmas list sorted. If only that simple.

I'm still in the red +/- black zipped non-Avoid camp

Blues are my favourite colours! Looks great!

I like this. Bottle green option? Would get the blue one though.

Yup!

Likey, likey. Navy Blue for me

Would also prefer a darker green but have nothing necessarily against the navy. Looks good.

Restrained. Very un-Fetch.

Yes love it. Perfect for all seasons and it’ll go great with our fetch buffs .

I’m already dead excited .

I like it but would like a very dark green even more.

Nice. I'd buy one!

Love it

Nice

Very nice.

I'm in! That dark blue is great.

Blue is my favour colour

Nope, not for me, too similar to my black one

Fetch!!! You’re tempting me zip and a colour hoodie I don’t have 😜

Oh, yes, I'll say dark green works for me

I'd also like a dark green...

I love the navy, but agree that a very dark green would go better with black jeans so would buy either.

I like the idea of dark green.

Love it

Nope, I want red *stamps feet*

Olive green

Oh bonners, like the idea of dark green. Looks good!!

love it

It's a bit school uniformy, would like a bit of contrast colour or piping.

another vote for green

I like it! Zippy blue!

I've added 'combat green' to the blog. Thoughts?

(As a second option, rather than just replacing the navy!)

Love the green too! Now you’ve put me in a quandary...

Yep. Green works too!

Black and Red needed still

I like both colours but would prefer something with stronger branding

It's the zip that sells it to me. (I hate pull over the head things. I can lounge around with it upzipped and an unlit pipe in my mouth like in the Kays catalogue circa 1979). I've got enough things with FETCH in large letters - I quite like the more subtle lettering.

"French Navy" reminds me of the Minder episode where Arthur is flogging a load of stuff. They have Italian Navy written all over them because - he says - that's their colour when in fact it's because that's who they were stolen from!

Nice! French Navy is very dark blue isn't it? Almost black? I like both colours. Has to have pockets for me. And I'm currently wearing my existing black with red sides hoodie

I would buy one in combat green fetch

Or camo!

Me! Yes pls. Quite like the Avoid Everyone idez

Would love a zipped one - pulling on and off quickly over my head knocks my glasses flying, every time

More interested in pockets than whether it has a zip or not. So I don't know how to vote. But still interested.

I quite fancy a green one with avoid everyone on the back, full zip for me for those too hot then cold moments.

Yes! Not fussed about whether it's full zip or over-the-head. I like the Avoid Everyone idea but wonder if someone is clever enough to come up with a more enduring slogan about Fetch being a virtual place for real people or something like that.

I don’t have one with a zip. This would help me avoid any potential accidental flashing as I take it off!

Really would like a zipped hoodie please.

Avoid everyone with a zip would get my money, preferably not violent dayglo type green, but a nice appley green?

+1 for appley green, also happy to get a red one. Happy with either no-zip or zipped.

Is there a short-zip option, ie about six inches at the top? How does the no-zip option tighten/loosen around the neck?

'Avoid Everyone' is a great play on Fetch Everyone, but it does restrict the use of the garment to times of lockdown, to an extent. I bought three Avoid Everyone face masks, but I have reservations about putting it on conventional garments. I'd rather avoid the 'why does it say avoid?' conversations once lockdown is over.
Alternatively, how about hoodies with built-in face masks/balaclavas? I have a winter cycling jacket like that, so it can be done.

zip would be great - the neck's too small on the no zip ones and a fetch one not avoid one please

Would definitely love a zipped one, I have so many non-zipped. Would also vote for ordinary logo, not the avoid version.

If I was getting one (which I almost certainly won't be, hence my vote for "no relevant opinion) my irrelevant opinion would be a zip and discreet logo, maybe in black or dark grey or bottle green.

Zip please, have voted. Would love a green avoid everyone.

I'm with Bright Strider - I won't get an Avoid hoodie, but I also live in my grey one, so would like another Fetch hoodie, perhaps in black or red, but will consider what colours are available

Full zip, big pockets, Fetch logo. Not entirely fussed about colour.

Loved my black and red one which was sadly lost and needs replacing. Prefer no zip type.

Could be interested depending on final design

I like the zip type because I have a dodgy thermostat and they are easier to get on and off or an intermediate position of undoing the zip

I won’t vote, because although I’d definitely want a zip, I have lots of hoodies already. *might* still buy one though

I wouldn’t buy an Avoid Everyone but I’d love a grey pullover type one (missed out last time!)

So hard to answer, the right answer should be 'no thanks got enough' but can you ever have too many? I have a fully functioning fetch hoodie so maybe a zip version would be more tempting. But I suspect I will see what the masses chose and decide whether I need a newer version.

I love my red hoodie, especially when I'm on the beach pretending to be The Hoff. Unfortunately, mini Nico has taken a liking to it too.

I like zip and no zip would take either you missed the “looks like I’ll buy anything mate” option. Maybe don’t make whole thing bright green or bright yellow though

Would "I'm here" on back as well as fetch logo work? Or is that too podcast centric?

like dips says the whole green and shouty avoid everyone thing could be a bit much for a hoody. And I soooo want a zippy one

Zip please! Wouldn't buy a non-zip as I don't find them comfortable.

I'd go with an over the head, but with one big pocket on the front, or a zip through I'm not keen on the bright green or yellow idea though, prefer the red, or black

Avoid everyone but in the red/black colourway

Lovely royal blue with a zip and a fetch logo left side at top and even the fetch logo on the back at top medium sized.

I would prefer the rear to have a fetch logo. I have lots of running tops, but few hoodies so I want it to last a good few years after Covid.

I’m with HB re a zipped one because of the glasses faff. I have grey and I have black so a nice red will do thanks

If the pennies allow I'd like a new one as the original black one is now only just fit for around the house! A "sensible" colour preferably, so it can be worn all the time. Probably no-zip as they're cheaper and there's less to break.

Would be interested in a zipped hoodie with fetch logo in dark colour but without avoid everyone.

Zipped hoodie for me too with the original Fetch logo on it. Would love a red one because I missed out last time but would go with the flow re colour.

I wouldn't mind a half zip instead of a full zip - can you add another choice pls?!

I would actually love one with a zip, I find them much more versatile in various weathers.

Maybe not Avoid Everyone though.

Would be interested in one with a full zip, preferably black (already have a red hoodie) and with the original Fetch logo on it.

Zipped please because of double combo of glasses and the joys of middle age. Pretty much any logo. Yay!

The Conquersize "grass themed" puntastic badges are great, thanks. Err, too many hoodies in the world. Soz. Love my Avoid Everyone mask though. It was on Facebook live on Sunday. Viewed by 300 peeps! G

twitch tv. New one on me.

Wow, thank you so much Ian, it's been a funny old year (understatement of the century) and as I'm sure you're aware I've been AWOL from here for some time. Nothing like the cancellation of all your planned races to kill the mojo!

Fetcheveryone is in my mind the blueprint for what a great online community should be and I will be back here at some point (sooner rather than later I hope). In the meantime I stumbled across another online community that to be fair rivals this one for the inclusiveness and welcoming environment and I couldn't have imagined a few months ago that I would be streaming live on the internet much as I wouldn't have been able to imagine running long distances and in both cases it's been the support of a great bunch of people that has got me there.

It was great to see you pop up on my stream the other day and it means a lot for you to share it with the community here. You're right, it's definitely not the music for everyone, but if anyone fancies popping in I can assure you that you will be made to feel welcome

had to ask the youngsters about twitch

Someone I know played The Sims on Twitch and gets her followers to decide what her character should do etc . Don't get it myself.....

My son uses Twitch and follows various people - but like bigleggy, I don't really 'get it'. I play games occasionally and my son has suggested Twitch to see how it 'should' be done

I might have a look at Twitch. One of the hobbies I do (outside running, gym, canoeing activity etc.) has experts giving tips via videos on Twitch. Thanks for highlighting. G

I suspect it is the speedier section. My watch recorded a recent max VO2Max of 53 on this run. Fairly sedate until I stole an orange website thing off my brother in law at the end.

fetcheveryone.com/t-17991878

I think my Garmin must be doing some kind of cumulative thing, as it only goes up or down a point even if I’ve had a really rubbish run.

Most of my recent runs come out on this site in the 20s, but my watch says 41. The nearest run I’ve done to race pace in the last few months gives me 30 on here.

Haha. We were just discussing this on the Garmin thread.

This is what Garmin say: support.garmin.com

Garmin definitely use an algorithm that can analyse a specific portion so they can work with intervals.

Runalyse look to use the whole run hence very low values for intervals.

Ooh! I just had a look at my 5 mile virtual race from this Tuesday (which ranks at #15 in my all-time 5 mile benchmarks, so not the fastest but worthy of review). Garmin's verdict was 46. Runalyze displays that same data to two decimal places (46.38). However, their own assessment for the same activity, using the same data, is 35.39, versus 34.3 on the benchmark for the full distance here. In their waffle, they say: "Runalyze estimates the Effective VO2max for every run with heart rate data based on the relation of heart rate and pace. Optionally, elevation can be taken into account as well. The average of these values will be used as the athlete's current shape. As everybody’s heart rate may behave differently, Runalyze uses an additional individual correction factor which is calculated based on one's best race and its heart rate automatically. Alternatively, athletes can pick a manual correction factor." (I haven't).

NOTE: I'm only using Runalyze because they display the recovery HR, when I remember to record it! Anyway, hope this helps.

Another bump for recognising that Garmin records it's own calc of VO2Max in its .fit files which I think are the ones processed by Fetch in the auto-sync. I'd love to see that become part of the data set imported into this site.

It says I’m superior I need nothing else 😂😂😂

Garmin and Runalyse are using HR to estimate VO2 Max from sub maximal paces. I see what you've done just going for pace and distance but that will only work for races.

Garmins definitely use cumulative values, as FDNB says, and that cumulative value is stored in the FIT file. Seconding FDNB, SPR and Sigh's comments.

+ for Garmin using heart rate , spurious wrist based readings (very low) Boosted my vo2 max reading and predicted great race times. i assume from this That having max hr set correctly in garmin is also important for calculation

If you are looking for speedier sections for Vo2max, maybe you could use it for predictions too? Sometimes the predictions are a bit slow for example if a run is one mile warm up, five miles fast, the one mile cool down. It then gives a 5k prediction slower than the 5k during the fast 5 miles due to the warm up bits

I don't know if this is useful, but on 30/1/18 I had a club intervals session with the speedy bits 1.65 miles long and Fetch shows my 1 mile benchmark as 39.3. Eight days earlier I had had a hospital Cardio Pulmonary Exercise Test in which my VO2Max was determined as 50.1.

A week before the CPET, I had run 6x800m and my Fetch benchmark for 800m gives my VO2Max as 44.6.

echo the comments by Badger et al. It also seems to take into account Max HR somewhere as when that was set wrong it impacted VO2MAX. If I had to guess I'd say it's using working HR ranges rather than absolute?

It definitely use max HR. I believe it equates HR Max %ages to %age of VO2 Max. So if you're running 7mm at X% of HR max which equates to Y % of your VO2 Max, your actual VO2 Max must be Z.

The Garmin algorithm is by Firstbeat (that’s they now own). It’s proprietary but I believe there are some white papers on their website.

You may want to have a read of this:

assets.firstbeat.com

Firstbeat is the algorithm used by Garmin for their vo2max estimates.

The firstbeat patent also gives good information on how they calculate it:

patentimages.storage.googleapis.com

My run yesterday morning (10th Sep - fetcheveryone.com/t-18047189 ) was my best for absolutely ages; your calculation estimates 29.6-32.3 over the various benchmark distances.

My Garmin (Fenix 5X + HRM-Tri) estimates my VO2max around 43 (occasionally bumping me to 44 for a day or two, then back down to 43). FWIW, pre-Covid it was hovering around 46/47.
It also gives me a cycling VO2max of 39 (I very rarely cycle, but do use a Wattbike regularly).

For obvious reasons, I prefer the number that my Garmin gives... but I suspect your number is probably closer to reality!

For my run from Tuesday
Fetch estimate: 31.3 to 41.3, depending on distance range.
From my Fenix 5s - 60.26
From Runalyze - Traditional calculation 42.86, Correction for HR 68.61, correction for elevation 68.70

I don't trust the runalyze HR correction estimate as I have not set up my Hr zones / MHR etc

You're not calculating VO2max (the max amount of O2 you are capable of using), instead you are calculating the max O2 the person used on that run. As others have said, watches and other devices take your HR as a % of HRmax (or HR Reserve) at the pace you ran to calculate the pace you could have run at your HRmax, assuming a linear (or at least predictable) relationship between pace and HR. Polar's explanation of their "Running Index" score is here: support.polar.com

Am i missing something in that I'm unable to see Vo2 max under benchmarks in my training log ?

Crikey, I’m glad you’re the one doing the thinking!

*scratches your head for you*

I think straight line data at an average speed is far better than losing a benchmark. I've guess more modern gps devices cope better than older ones so maybe it becomes less of an issue as time passes and more people buy new watches?

The thing is i do actually run at 49 mph sometimes but not in a straight line.

In the example image, my guess is that the pace data is sane again immediately after that jump to the left. We can *see* that the location of the trace is not where it should be though. So working out where it rejoins the true path is a bit harder. I've been wondering about making it so that the dodgy points accrue time, but no distance. Will have to test that out. Smell of burning coming from my head

I bet you do it backwards as well, Beany.

And on one leg.

After the jump to the left, is it then a step to the right with hands on hips etc?

Now *that* would have got more views on this blog

Sometime my Garmin does show that I've used a wormhole through folder and warped space, so I do understand the problem!! I'd suggest you code for what you've suggested originally, but flag it with the word "Estimated"! And move on.... just let people suck it up if they don't like it, else you'll get caught down a rabbit-hole of GPS data points into the Neverland of data.

(Data leads to Information. Information leads to Knowledge. And Knowledge leads to Wisdom, which allows you to interpret the Data.....)
Also known as DInKWoD.)

I've seen the orange website do weird things with traces...that were so wrong.

Any WSW run defies straightness too - I deliberately fling myself into bushes I’d be gutted if you straightened me out

In terms of speed at least, could you not look for changes greater than x%? If you see a change of say more than +50% in speed, lasting for less than a couple of sample points, then you know it is a GPS error, and could flag it.

It's a never-ending rabbit hole, and in "fudging" one edge case you'll probably cause several more. I'd treat the gps data as the "best truth you'll get" and if it causes the odd glitch in benchmarks, WSW, etc so be it.