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Done. And well done for Redmond-ing the Notifications javascript! G

Stealthy notifications. Nice!

It's only because the MOTM banner is messing with it, I think.

Garmin Express works ok for me; I think there was an original issue with Express not saving the fit file on the pc but it is now - I do find it a bit of a pain uploading manually (not like the old days when I did it with a pen and actually had to add up the weeks mileage!! LOL) . Seems to find its way automatically to strava too.

Done - Suunto GPX files still not registering intervals on Fetch. Looks like I ran 1.6 miles this evening 16 minute miling, when I ran 13 intervals averaging 6:29 minute miling...

yeah, yeah, that's what they all say
I think the poll says that addressing Garmins should be the priority!

Wow ... Garmin would be pleased with those results

Great idea hurrah

No questions, your honour. (I just wanted to tick the Keep me in the loop! box)

FAQ: Does this mean I should install Garmin Express?
Answer: If you can import successfully using the Garmin Communicator Plugin, then don't hurry to make any changes.

Will there be any impact on those who don't import their runs into anything other than fetch?

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The plugin hasn't worked for me for months and I don't bother with Garmin Connect - I just upload the FIT file - I presume I can continue to do this?

FAQ: I don't use the Garmin site, I just put my runs on Fetch. How does this affect me?
Answer: Garmin's move to create Garmin Express has come about at least partly because it's the stated policy of the big web browsers (IE, Firefox, Chrome etc) to move away from 'plugins'. So Garmin are just ensuring that when this happens, there will still be a direct route from your computer to Garmin website for your data. As things stand, Garmin Express leaves all your runs stored on your computer, so even if the Garmin Communicator Plugin stops working, you should still be able to upload your files to Fetch one at a time, using the FIT/TCX/GPX etc options in the 'Add Training' menu at the top of the page. Additionally, I am also working on a Fetch API, which opens up the possibility for any number of desktop apps (and dare I say it, smartphone apps) to upload data directly to Fetch.

VJ has asked my question so just wanted to tick box too.

I don't want to download any shit from Garmin. However, I have an old Forerunner 201 I use on this site to log my runs & rides. Will the plug-in be sticking around?

FAQ: Will the existing import mechanisms still be available?
I will definitely NOT switch anything off, and will leave links to older versions of stuff. As above, the continuation of the Garmin Communicator Plugin, and its support by web browsers is out of my hands.

FAQ: Will I need to register an account with Garmin?
To use this new method yes you will, although you won't have to visit the Garmin site on a regular basis. In theory, you just have to create an account, authorise Fetch to speak to Garmin on your behalf, and then you never have to visit again. The new method means that your data is first stored on the Garmin website, and then copied to Fetch. As per previous FAQ, if you're unhappy with putting your data on other websites, you can still use the other methods of import to Fetch.

FAQ: Can I still edit my runs/rides on Fetch?
Yep, as soon as we've sucked 'em in, you can adjust them in the usual way via your training log.

As with Grid, I wanted to tick the Keep me in the loop! box. The wonders of technology...let's hope both ends of the wire are able to talk to each other as this would be a significant improvement, as you say. Would you also talk to other GPS manufactures, such as Polar, for the same benefit?

TAHM - in theory, yes of course.

It's all very exciting. No questions from me

Mainly to loop in on this, but also given how many people are having issues with Express, I'd recommend anyone with an ANT+ Garmin to stick with the Ant Agent to perform the uploads and not go for Express.

Flanker - see my first FAQ

MC - yep, that's exactly the idea. But it's also the idea to make Fetch better than all of them Feature requests to my feedback inbox please

So what happens when I go for a hike? It will upload to Garmin as a run which I then need to edit.

If you suck it down from Garmin before I've edited it then will the various bits of Fetch that depend on knowing what type of activity it was get confuzzled?

Molesy - unless you hike at faster than your running pace, then I can't see any particular problems. Fetch will give you Conquercise zones, pick up Fetchpoint markers, measure your speed between checkpoints - but none of that should cause any problems if you're hiking. And if you're biking, so long as you've got your Garmin in bike mode, it should pick it up when it gets sucked in*.

*Confusing period of testing and swearing may apply.

I'm in the same position as Martin. My 620 wirelessly syncs via Gamin Express, then automatically sends the activity to Strava. If it could do the same with Fetch, that would be really rather spiffing. I'm not a huge fan of Garmin software, but have to say Express usually works very well, notwithstanding some teething troubles and the very occasional hiccup.

Good luck with this. Its a great idea.

I use Garmin express and it automatically syncs to myfitnesspal too, so I'm pleased about this, with the proviso that I can edit the entry afterwards as Garmin currently does not recognise the difference between a walk and a run- it uploads everything as a run.

The only reason I use Garmin Express is because my Garmin Swim uses an Ant+ Dongle. I upload my Runs/bikes through the Garmin connect app on my phone (Forerunner 220 and Edge 810 both connect to phone) and use that to sync to Garmin Connect. Loop Ticking

GCP has been crashing for me on current laptop for months, so I do the manual upload a FIT file shizzle. I recently installed Garmin Express (cos Garmin wanted me to make sure I had latest firmware on my 310XT) and it puts the FIT file in a different place. I'll got add this in to the Problems Uploading from Garmin article in the Wiki (perhaps you could put your FAQs in there too, so it's all in one place, or at least link to it, cos will all have changed by then).
Windows Vista, 7, 8:
C:\ProgramData1\Garmin\GarminConnect\DeviceUnitID\Upload
Windows XP:
C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data1\Garmin\GarminConnect\UnitID\Upload
Mac OS 10.7 and higher:
~user/Library2/Application Support/Garmin/GarminConnect/UnitID/Upload
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Hope this happens.

Hope it works - I'm exporting and importing TCX files at the moment.

Watching this with great interest.....

Maybe this can help others, but I don't have the new garmin express installed but strava which already uses this garmin API for auto upload from connect, works perfectly. My 310XT auto uploads to garmin connect and then strava updates automatically as well. Ideal.

when you passing the cap round? 10p each should cover it

I use this for strava too and would really like it if Fetch did it too. Reason for strava is segments - awesome for cycling - not so good for runners but runners using strava is increasing. I also like the way it tracks your personal bests at all different distances within your workouts (al la speedmarks) and you can easily see a list of them and from which run you achieved it.

keep in loop comment

I have had problems with Firefox uploading runs to my Fetch training, so I started using Chrome which was ok for some time but now been having problems, so only this last week I have started inputting training/races ect manually to my Fetch training, my Garmin uploads To Garmin connect and has been linking to my strava account automatically of late and IF this is what lord Fetch is saying he's going get for Fetch then I'm very interested and hope it comes off

+1 on the autoupload (that's an ugly word, I don't think I'll ever use it again) thingie.

I used to use the Garmin Site and got a tad concerned about why they kept pestering me, this has answered that concern, so being anti everything I stopped using it just because they'd asked so often. I may well agree to this as it stops pffaf, seems the thing to do for consistencies sake across sites. I imagine a lot of swearing will be invloved setting it up, all code invloves swearing, there should be a swear word glossary in all coding books.

ohh nice cake below BTW.

As with 'Wriggling Snake' above I used to log my runs on the Garmin site but just gave up (because Fetch is so much better) but hey it's that extra backstop just in case.

keep me in the loop

I like this idea. The two logs I use seriously are FE and SportTracks. I am currently enjoying playing with the beta autosync for SportTracks.
I would in fact consider chipping in money to help it happen, if it came to that.

Having had so many issues with Garmin express, I have reverted back to the ANT+ Stick, and until Garmin finally resolve my problems (they seem to have stopped talking to me now) I will not be changing. Sorry I know you work had on keeping Fetch Fresh, Fetch

Just me keeping in the loop too and yes fabby cake below

It's not really a question of freshness snoggy, it's about making sure Fetch works with other operators.

Im also using Sporttracks to log stuff and thats autosyncing with Garmin, its working quite well (Sporttracks mobi, sporttracks desktop, Fetch, strava and Garmin Connect, excessive? probably :))

(blatant hijack) oooh. is there a plug-in for Sporttracks desktop to the Connect API? Had better look at that. (don;t rate sporttracks mobi)

I manually log a few things that interest me as they seem to (for me) to be an honest reflection of how hard I ran, one (METMax) comes from Firstbeat Athlete so we will forget that but Heart Rate Recovery and Training Effect come off the 620 although only Training Effect is visible in Connect. I would be very interested in these coming across automagically.

Re the Saint's comment: I've been unpicking FIT files recently and can make helpful noises about where to find the recovery heart rate & TE if you are interested, Fetch. (And have a python program that will pull that and TE out of a FIT file)
Re Flanker's: There was a plugin at one point, the changes to the Garmin API with that being commercialized broke it and it is not going to be fixed as there isn't enough interest/money for the guy who wrote that plugin to finance the API fee, last I heard. I don't know whether they're planning to add the core sporttracks.mobi sync to the desktop version. The .mobi version is a long way behind the desktop version still, I agree.

Recently got blind sided into downloading garmin express ended up with huge issues and it not connecting via the Ant connector not reading my watch at all.. Ended up having to scrap it and go back to the previous version that came with the watch.Forerunner 410.
Oldpeculiar

Flanker - There's currently a Beta going on to link Sporttracks with the Connect API. If you subscribe to .mobi it automatically syncs with the desktop.

Flanker, basically what Molesy said... Garmin syncs with Sporttracks Mobi which syncs with Sporttracks Desktop... mobi is a must to allow it to happen... it works for everything apart from swimming at the moment, I keep having issues with the swim sync..

Fab Cake and please keep me in the loop as having to start using Garmin connect since up grading to the fenix 2.

Comment for loop in keeping.

I too got blindsided into downloading Garmin Express too but don't see it as a problem. I thought it had fallen over once and did some deleting & reinstalling & swearing etc but it turned out to be some corrupt file on my 210 - my experience is mostly positive. I have 3 gamins (which is certainly too many) only one of which has ant+.

I also started using strava recently for some cycling stuff, copying data across automatically seems to work pretty well there and setting it up is nearly user proof.

oh now i see the cake

Currently device > Garmin Connect > strava and training peaks is automagic. Depending on the device I manually export from Garmin connect as .gpx and import to Fetch. So automagic to Fetch would be awesome for me. (Except when the thing plays up and I upload 3 second runs and then I have to go remove them from everywhere :)... is there a "Garmin Connect sent this to Fetch, do you want it added to your training log?" button?

Keep me in the loop comment

How does it map the fields? Are the fields on Fetch exactly the same as the fields on Garmin connect? I don't really want to know the answer I just want to make it look as though I understand this stuff. Which I don't.

It's all fields on Fetch

This would be awesome. I only use Garmin Connect so I can transfer my runs to Fetch. My main gripe with GC is the maps and activities are so slow to load.

The Garmin Express-Garmin Connect-other places interface works pretty well.
My training goes straight to strava and TrainingPeaks via that route, and has mostly worked reasonably well

This is a keep me in the loop comment but I love the sound of this.

Tick.

re mode - By realising I "needed" a garmin for different activities at different times I have ended up with one that defaults to each of my main activities - possibly not the best or easiest way around the problem but garmin connect knows my swim is for swimming, my 800 for biking and my 210 for running. I seem to remember the 210 can be set to bike mode but I found it easier to edit it afterward rather than messing about with the watch menu.

I used a link on copymysports to auto load garmin connect activities into strava would be cool if you could copy this idea

(thanks badger/recoil. That was what I thought the answer would be. When Fetch, strava and GC are all better than st.mobi and f.o.c. I'm not paying for an inferior product just to synch to my desktop. I'll just stick with a Hazel automation that dumps files into ST desktop until I can do something better with the fetch API ;-))

Communicator plugin worked fine for me until i broke my old 310xt and bought a replacement 310xt. Been uploading tcx files from garmin connect since which is a pain. New 310xt made me install garmin express which seems to work ok for strava but seems to have mucked up the plugin.

Ok so some of us it seems have problems with garmin express and some dont. I tried garmin express and it just did not function so how did you who have no problems get it to work. I have a fore runnner 910xt

I'm not quite sure what question you are asking. What did I do? Nothing special, no IT skill required. I did it by
- downloading it, different versions for Mac/pc, also some updates after first launch.
- installing it, reboot if necessary i.e click on icon & follow instructions
- letting it find ant+ garmin or plugging in other garmin
- when it finds the garmin fill in the details of the username & password, just follow the prompts
- it synchs, the run/ride/whatever is visible on garmin connect
- just leave it running, allow it to open on reboot - it uses very little resource
- next time just plug in the garmin and it will find it, synch etc. There is nothing to do except look at it on garmin connect (or wherever you set it up to be copied to from there) unless for some reason it is not finding your garmin, but that would be the same with the plugin.

I think this is just following the instructions. The notion is that garmin express replaces the plugin, since it works and is easier to use I don't see why I'd want to use the plugin.

What problem are you experiencing?

Or I guess if you don't want to leave it running then open it when you want to use it. But your watch has wireless upload, so why mess about opening garmin express every day, just check your email or something& it will happen in the background.

for a 910 you'd be better with the Ant+ Agent and the plug-in (both Mac & PC versions work - I think the Mac is better) and getting rid of Express. Works for me and I've set it up for several others. Running Express alongside either/both the agent or plug-in seems very unreliable if it works at all.

Why would anyone want to run both? You don't buy new underwear and say "they are ok but don't work so well with my old ones."

Oh - sorry, I have used google and answered my own question. You want ant agent if you upload from your computer to sites other than garmin. Easier to export from garmin I suspect.

FWIW my stuff goes directly to Garmin from my 620 through the magic wi-fi, and then I use tapiirik to send it to Dropbox as a TCX file which I then use to upload to Fetch. It sounds a faff but it's not and, crucially, doesn't involve any cables or software (other than a browser).

Winded - people tend to end up running both as Garmin (either their support or a new device) says they have to install express, without making any mention of removing any previously installed ones first. If my new underwear was as uncomfortable as Express is, I'd willingly go back to the saggy old pair and stick the new ones in the charity bag (washed first, of course!)

I've given up trying to import into Fetch from my FR610 - haven't been able to achieve it since Gramin forced me across to Garmin Express. I find the Fetch format useful so continue to input runs from my watch manually but it is a chore.

Rides are taken OK from my Edge 500 it will alwys freeze up my laptop during the process which is frustrating. The reality as one of your end users is that strava is far simplier. Would be good if an can come to a similier arrangement where activites are taken from Garmin and present within my profile on Fetch.

Hope the feedback helps.

Keef - have you read my blog about Garmin Express?

I still can't find the FIT file on my mac hoping the API becomes a reality soon - cheers for all your efforts Fetch

Geordie, you might need to access hidden files - I found these 2 pages useful: osxdaily.com forums.garmin.com

Thank you so much to Winded who advised I can go into Garmin Connect, click on the cog and ask to download the file. I have done this and it works a treat. Happy GG now

will we get some edit function & filter , ie leaving the GPS (garmin) on and adding the car journey is going to add incorrect miles , which we tend to edit but only after its uploaded . Hopefully this wont automatically become routes as there will endless junk routes. BTW: Garmin 910xt linking to pc/mac program is very poor , eg downloading custom workouts takes a bit of work .

Sounds like a plan...

Fantastic cake!

Yes, it definitely should be repeated. There'll probably be another 5-miler in March ....

It sounds wonderful! Brilliant cake too!

Great cake and it sounds like a wonderful time!:)

Superb, what a great birthday for Fetcheveryone.com. It'll be a teenager soon! G

Oh and congrats on 50 parkruns (is that right? Did you get a t-shirt?) G

Sounds fab Happy Birthday and Congratulations on 10 successful years :-). Here's to the next 10 x

Again, Again, again

A Great day for lots of peoples! More soon please

😀 a very enjoyable day, when are we doing it again??

Good stuff :)

Sorry we couldn't be there. Soundz fab.

lovely

Fetch appears to attract a particularly helpful variety of male.... I've never noticed any denigration or condescension to women on the training threads just because they're women... we seem to be seen as just as capable of training hard as men. That's a good thing. The joke of the day thread, OTOH, has rather too many sexist jokes for my liking.

Thanks R - the feedback link is always there should you wish me to review any specific post.

The fit after preg and in the club threads are great for women (and the occasional Dad).

You persuaded people to abandon the sexy girls thread?! fwiw I don't think the site should specifically target any demographic group. Where there's a inherent group it'll firm itself (eg ultras, tris, crafting, etc)

*Form itself*

I think the anonymity helps people new to running not to be shy about asking questions. That's not necessarily a female thing I know but it is an empowering thing. Fetch feels like a very inclusive place where it's safe to ask pretty much anything about running (or, dare I say it, Other Sports).

Thanks, fetch. TBH I have solved the problem by not looking at it very often any more.

I've never felt at all marginalised on Fetch because of my gender, or felt the need to say to anyone, "You wouldn't have said that to me if I was a man," or felt as if I was being judged on my appearance.
Given the population trend, I would like to think that runners/people who do other sports who are very overweight will find that Fetch is a supportive place where no assumptions about their eating or exercise habits, intelligence, or athletic ability made on the basis of their body size are stated or implied. The same goes for skinny folk too, of course. My impression is that the site polices itself very well in this regard and there is very little fat-shaming, but I'm speaking from the outside on that one.

I'd say Fetchland has the same sort of all-welcome spirit you see in Parkrun. Which is kind of opposite to the boys-club attitude of some sites or the mens-clubiness of gyms.

Top comment McGoohan.

A lot of people choose gender neutral names, and although it can become clear from a profile picture or from looking at their details what gender people are, it's not necessarily how you identify people on the site. As mcGoohan says, it has an all-welcome spirit, encompassed in the name of the site. Slow, fast, ultra or just to the lamppost and back, we're all Fetchies. And Fetchies are good people.

Well said Tikka and McGoohan

There are actually a few fetchies who I thought were men because they talked about 'Mrs X' and then I later realised they were lesbians when I looked at their profiles and realised it said F. That seems pretty inclusive to me, so tell your bosses fetch is lesbian friendly too And even the odd transgender person too I would say it's more important to be inclusive of slower or larger people personally, as a running site the speedy whippet girls are unlikely to experience anything but admiration, but the good thing about fetch is that everyone's achievements are celebrated

As a larger girl whose achievements have been celebrated, I wholeheartedly concur.

Down with this sort of thing.

I think the nature and presentation of the site has naturally tended to remove the ego-driven testosterone element that other sites have suffered from (Letsrun is the worst - if you aren't a sub 4-miler you seem to be trash on there). By just being inclusive and having a gentle hand on the tiller, it has fulfilled it's empowerment objectives precisely by not empowering any one specific group. No change required then. As you were.

I'm fine with not being deliberately empowered thanks. Patronising employers... I think this is a place where generally it doesn't matter who you are or what you are or what your WAVA is, and that along with gentle joshing, it is a place of positivity and helpfulness and silliness. Long may it continue, and would that the real world were the same!

Please *don't* go down the "empowering women" route. I'm much happier if we just strive for an equal opportunities type site where EVERYONE is welcome. You seem to be doing a pretty good job so far

There are some good comments above about not focussing on 'empowering women'. I think the site does tick by in a well balanced, gender neutral way without having to call into focus silly initiatives like that. I feel empowered by the vary nature of the fact that no 'minority' group stands out (other than ultra runners but then they are a breed unto themselves )

You published my article about running and disability, that was quite empowering!

I'd like to be air brushed a bit please

I think this pic of ricmac is very empowering: http://www.fetcheveryone.com/gallery-showphoto.php?filename=36117_55192.jpg

Don't underestimate the power of the preggy and pregnumpcy threads. So many people do not support preggy ladies running and here it is just something that those of us that feel well enough to do, can do it with no judgement. I think the fact that women and men are treated equally and we're all having to really think about it says a lot

by not focussing on trying to empower anyone Fetcheveryone is naturally inclusive. Long may it stay unhampered by that sort of box ticking malarky.

Hope you all enjoy the family visit

Good to hear you keep your teeth to yourself on a run

Nice running! *chuckles* at NSC's comment!;)

I like the little ticks too. What I'd like even more is the facility to put a little asterisk or something to remind me that I've read a blog but need to open it again to finish reading it or leave a comment.
Enjoy your run

Yep - I like it too, especially the ticks.
Just one comment - most pages, forum and this individual blog page for example, have the main content on the left, and the lists and boxes on the right. The new blog list page is the other way round - was that a deliberate decision?

want want want

and more seriously, what TR said. The layout feels wrong, and is different to the rest of the site where all content is on the left and the links and etc are over there--->

I love the ticks

Gotter love the ticks. We've gone all Old Skule. Hurrah!

Tick love here, you ARE a clever clogs!

Oh dear... I cant leave some unticked..............

I see the tick *tick*

*Tick*

ah well!

Bitten by a tick.

Another tick appreciator :-).

Oooooooo love the ticks!!!

love the ticks, awesome!

Love the ticks and the quick response to earlier feedback to give us the plain and 'cloakroom' style

Love the tick; love my vest, thank you.

Great idea. I'll proof-read it if you like. Diffuse or defuse (up there, para 1)?

A certain Baroness springs to mind, she has written several blogs on the subject...But there are quite a few other race organisers on here.

I think it sounds like a very good topic for an article... I have organised 'events' but not races so have nothing really useful to share except an encouraging nod.

maybe diffuse so they go away quietly rather than gathering in a mob baying for blood?

I think that's a brilliant idea. BaronessBL, Foxy Davy, Ultra Kazaaaaaaaah, K-Web, Jen J, Loon Dod and Lintie all have the requisite experience, and I'm sure there are others.

yes Baroness ;-), it would be a good article, no way would I organise one, the guys at my club seem to spend an inordinate amount of time on them.......

Excellent idea - make sure you get up-to-date info, especially wrt road races. The requirements for our road league this year have jumped considerably - people having to go on courses on how to close roads for the ten minutes required for the start, and having to purchase road closed signs and stop/go lollypops for example. Our league is now sponsored by our local newspaper - who sponsor by providing the advertising space required to give notice of the (very short term) road closures.

I've dropped the Baroness a line

Been involved in organising races for a while and was Race Director for first time in August

Forest Faerie, H17 spring to mind too

I seem to remember that Nightjar & JJF have been put on a couple of rather fine races

However I do worry that if people know in advance how much work is involved they may decide not to bother!

I'd add TZ to the list of most excellent race directors

ThorntonRunner got there before me but I only found out recently that you need someone who has been on a proper course if you want to close a road.

Good idea. Happy to help contribute.

last of the time lords is RD of Abingdon Mara - is he still about? G

Ah- so this is why there was a shiny new Fetch anniversary shirt on the mat when I got home from work today....
But I am highly flattered that some of you think I might know something about this worth sharing

Brilliant idea. I was actually just thinking this morning of suggesting to our Scout group that they organise a race but realised I don't know the first thing about it

Would be interested to read a variety of experiences, so from a local cross country race at £3 an entry through to maybe one with road closures and more expense. Always intrigued by the difference.

And don't forget recruiting friendly marshalls cheering on the runners and finding willing bakers for the tea and cakes afterwards. The best races have a home-made refreshment tent at the end!

BTW I sent you an fmail too Mr Fetch but appreciate that in all the changes to blog layouts etc you may not have had time to read it yet...:-)

Did someone take up or get given the gauntlet?

Sooner the better for me

Hmmm, club full of girls huh?

*awaits new vest impatiently* Tracks are cheaper than gyms, surely?

You call those hills? You've been away from Wales to long...

...too long

The Harriets? I haven't met anyone called Harriet yet. A Sylvia & a Shirley but no Harriet. We had fried egg sarnies for dinner last night when we got home.

I thought the same on the first effort, but I had a bit more respect for it by the fifth iteration. Nothing like the road going up from Bargoed viaduct to Aberbargoed. FACT: It's the sort of hill where you could borrow a horse at the bottom to help your own horse get to the top.

We had fried egg, chips and beans WIN.

Hill is a bit tame but certainly felt it! Balti for us.

Good work - hills are good, intervals are good, doing it with a club is sooo much better than trying to do it by oneself. You will come on leaps and bounds (if you want to) if you can keep 1 x club session per week, plus your other runs stead. Sorry to hear Katie's news. Hope you will all be as OK through it all as you can. Thoughts are with you all. G