Transgender Athletes

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8:51am, 15 Aug 2019
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DocMoye
Chris, races like that are great fun.😁
Aug 2019
8:52am, 15 Aug 2019
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Bazoaxe
Runbritain do that already Chris.
Aug 2019
9:13am, 15 Aug 2019
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Velociraptor
I was particularly interested in Victoria Hood's story, which I found by linking from the FPFW page Jovi Runner posted to Dr Emma Hilton's speech.

fairplayforwomen.com

This is about cycling, and highlights the fact that in some sports the threat to women's sport from allowing transwomen to compete is not only due to enduring physiological differences, but also to differences in opportunity between those growing up as girls and those growing up as boys. She points out that the road racing infrastructure for young women is greatly inferior to that for young men and almost disappears after childhood. (Other elite female cyclists and commentators have previously pointed out the big gap in funding and coverage between the men's and women's sport.) The official position is that Rachel McKinnon does not retain physiological advantages that make it unfair for her to race as a woman, but we still have a situation in which someone has been able to learn racecraft in a technical sport in a privileged environment solely because of their gender and then compete against people who did not have that opportunity solely because of their gender.

And that's in something that should be a non-contact sport. What about combat sports? Football and rugby?
Aug 2019
9:32am, 15 Aug 2019
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smash
That is interesting vrap. I hadn't thought of that.

Did anyone explain what the problem was with having one changing area with individual cubicles for all? I'm sure I've been to swimming pools that do this (Bluestone maybe?).
Aug 2019
9:41am, 15 Aug 2019
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Velociraptor
I can see why having one changing area with individual cubicles might be difficult for some individuals if the transit area between washing facilities and toilets is also unisex, but the difficulties I can see could be overcome by the provision of some changing cubicles which include washing facilities and toilets.

It's also not a new idea. I used to swim in a very old pool (imperial rather than metric dimensions) and the changing facilities, shared with the small gym in the same building, were poolside cubicles and lockers.
jda
Aug 2019
10:20am, 15 Aug 2019
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jda
It's neither new nor controversial. Personally I generally find the cubicles small and cramped and prefer an open area but recognise the arguments in their favour (most likely, a cost/space saving argument in any cases). Swimming pool in my old home town has gone this way and I can't even stand upright because they've put bloody bars across the top of them! But it does have the advantage of my wife being able to tell me she's forgotten her costume after we start changing :-)
Aug 2019
11:05am, 15 Aug 2019
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Rosehip
The cubicles in a common area a fab when you are a mum with children of spread ages and have a 10/11 yr old boy to keep an eye on as well as a young daughter and a baby. I was much happier with son in next cubicle rather than him being off in a separate room, as at least I could tell when he was getting up to mischief whilst waiting for me.

I can imagine that under some circumstances, to some people, it could feel intimidating. If we live in a world where a law is needed specifically for "upskirting"; and I remember when we would check for holes in the wall of toilets in case there was someone looking through after a series of well-publicised instances, not to mention the stories of cameras behind ceiling tiles...

However, we can't discriminate against an innocent group of people because of actions or perceived threats from (for want of a better word) *arseholes*
Aug 2019
11:24am, 15 Aug 2019
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Jovi Runner
Thanks everyone for watching the video/reading the transcript video & thanks for the link to the open access papers which I'll have a read off.
Aug 2019
11:39am, 15 Aug 2019
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DocMoye
I find it difficult to see how cubicles can't be the answer in changing rooms
Aug 2019
11:49am, 15 Aug 2019
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Jovi Runner
DocMoye - I think the concerns (alrhough I can only speak for myself) are that there are many females for societal or religious reasons who do not want to share their spaces with male bodied people especially in areas where they are more vulnerable (ie in a place where they are undressing etc). Single sex facilities, as others have said earlier, were brought in for a reason. Yes, we can't legislate for @rseholes as someone else said but if we ask ourselves whether removal of single sex facilities will make things more or less safe for women I think there aren't many woman who'd honestly say they feel safer getting undressed in a cubicle knowing there is a man in the next cubicle.

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