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Aug 2019
5:38pm, 15 Aug 2019
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Serendippily
And re 6508 we directly disagree but I don’t think that stops there being an agreed solution
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Aug 2019
5:43pm, 15 Aug 2019
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SPR
The IAAF have historically struggled with classification so I don't think it has been easy.
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Aug 2019
5:49pm, 15 Aug 2019
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DocMoye
Jovi, as a woman you don't have to accept that a transwomam is a woman, but I do, and I think many others do. This seems a fundamental problem in resolving our differences. For me a woman CAN have a penis.
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Aug 2019
5:52pm, 15 Aug 2019
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Trin
Serendippily, I have absolutely no problem with a Kenyan woman coming along and woopin my arse, because I know my place 😉 but if there was two Kenyans, a cis (for want of a better word) Kenyan and a transgender Kenyan, how would the cis Kenyan feel to have her arse wooped by the transgender Kenyan I wonder?
At the moment this is all speculative, but in the future who knows
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Aug 2019
5:53pm, 15 Aug 2019
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Serendippily
Doc that’s why I think it needs to be about what is fair competitively. When Jovi is worried we are not supporting other women we have different classifications  but yes it isn’t easy and I think it’s as unhelpful to pretend there can be no competitive advantage as there is to assume there always is or to apply the same rules regardless of whether any formal competition is involved
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Aug 2019
5:59pm, 15 Aug 2019
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Serendippily
And Trin my view on that would vary according to whether you had whooped her arse two weeks earlier
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Aug 2019
6:04pm, 15 Aug 2019
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Trin
Which would of course be physically impossible
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Aug 2019
6:19pm, 15 Aug 2019
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Serendippily
Golly even I’ve beaten a man in a race and I’m rubbish despite all my upbringing lack of testosterone etc
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Aug 2019
6:31pm, 15 Aug 2019
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katypie
Thank you TR and Vixx for your considered and informative posts.
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Aug 2019
6:40pm, 15 Aug 2019
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Jovi Runner
Some women running faster than some men demonstrates nothing. Jo Pavey runs faster than almost alll men posting on fetch- that does not mean it is therefore fair that we should have to include transgender transitioned men into the Olympic 10km event as men have no physical advantage.
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