The New Normal - What do you see that is becoming the New Normal?
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Aug 2020
7:36am, 10 Aug 2020
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FRU (KeepTheFaith)
No cash payments This has to be good news in the long run for smaller businesses as I have a long held belief that we spend less if we have to pay cash and sometimes we dont buy at all if we cant pay by card An observation though at the penny falls in the pier this weekend is how I will miss the crazy world of the 2p falls and the marvellously messy and totally unhygienic handling Of all those brown coins But I do think we will see card only. And rightly so |
Aug 2020
7:49am, 10 Aug 2020
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Derby Tup
I had an interesting conversation with a friend recently. His views on politics are way over to the right of mine but for once we were on the same wavelength I’m already alarmed that society feels like it’s never been so polarised and to add to existing divisions (traditional Right v Left, Green v not bothered, Leaver v Remainer, public v private sector employee, people with pension provisions v those without) he pointed out we have two more on the horizon: people who have been vaccinated against C-19 v those who haven’t, plus people who use cashless payments entirely v those who don’t, or more saliently cannot. These go hand in hand with people with ready access to the internet v those who don’t. The new normal potentially is going to be a tough place for some people |
Aug 2020
8:14am, 10 Aug 2020
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Fellrunning
In the short term empty office space could be used for "Nightingale schools" to allow kids to be educated safely in smaller groups. It would mean hiring more teachers obviously, and someone would have to pick up the tab for the costs. However if Boris and his mates are really committed to getting kids back to school its pretty small beer.
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Aug 2020
8:33am, 10 Aug 2020
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EvilPixie
the problem with cashless is a lot of people don't use it e.g elderly and less well off etc not just because they don't have access to things but also due to trust in "new fangled systems!" it's like cheques - personally not written one for years but the window cleaner takes them, mum sends them for birthdays etc Schools use them a lot we can't wipe out a whole payment system! |
Aug 2020
9:04am, 10 Aug 2020
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jennyh
I agree that a cashless society could cause problems for a lot of people - this article may not be brilliant, but it does highlight some of the pitfalls of a cashless society - wired.co.uk DT, I agree with you on the polarisation of society, and the cashless issue, which is likely to adversely affect those who are already disadvantaged could widen the gap between rich and poor (which I believe is already worse in the UK than in most other European nations) |
Aug 2020
11:28pm, 10 Aug 2020
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run free
+1 for DT / EP FR - will be interesting to see the extent of the fall out of businesses due to Brexit..... but that is for the Politics thread  DT - if youve had Covid does that mean you won't need a vaccine? |
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Aug 2020
8:56am, 11 Aug 2020
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FRU (KeepTheFaith)
I wonder though, or ought to say hope, that were cashless a serious move then powers that be would ensure all could use it happily I understand the devides around groups, and of course the dreaded class devide along with tech and did not mean my comment to be exclsuive of anyone nor flippant but I do think Cashless will be a thing There would also be a privacy issue with cashless to add to the agrument against. And then I start to think about the whole passport/id card/tagging and I can see perhaps then moves to one card does all Tricky territory I know I agree with DT that it feels like a huge amount of change very quickly Underlying some changes have been coming for a very long time not all will be easy or welcome |
Aug 2020
10:06am, 11 Aug 2020
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Non-runner
Sweden have been pushing cashless-ness for a while, lots of interesting articles about it. I am a bit conflicted, it would certainly take out some crimes (whilst increasing others) but would potentially exclude some people. I am also reminded of the scene in the Handmaid’s Tale where suddenly all the women found that due to government decree their cards had been cancelled... it could be you! I am pro ID cards though, they work everywhere else.
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Aug 2020
10:25am, 11 Aug 2020
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Wriggling Snake
Mass unemployment. I was really taken aback by the number of people furloughed currently, 9.6 million! 9.6 million I had no idea it was quite that high, a second wave, which IS going to happen, could be catastrophic. Bearing in mind the working population of the UK is 30 odd million, the total population of Scotland is 5.5 million! Cashless society, no new new normal, happening anyway, it is how long, ID cards, first raise by the odious Thatcher, not new, may happen, may not, I would guess the mass movement of people will push the movement to ID cards rather than any effect of Covid per se. |
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Aug 2020
10:32am, 11 Aug 2020
625 posts
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JR
Non-runner - that is one of my main concerns ref a cashless society ref a government/bank decreeing, for whatever reason, they object to you in some way and cancel your card. It is also a way of tracking peoples spending a lot easier. I know people think I am a bit tin foil hat in this regard but I do think it is a concern that most people don't realise. As others have said - there is also the issue of many disadvantaged members of society who still don't have full bank accounts or have restricted ones already due to previous debt type issues being disproportionately affected.
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