Jan 2020
2:17pm, 27 Jan 2020
2,395 posts
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B Rubble
Do you mean Boris?
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Jan 2020
2:18pm, 27 Jan 2020
2,396 posts
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B Rubble
Sorry, in relation to the blonde with the naked chest?
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Jan 2020
2:23pm, 27 Jan 2020
4,193 posts
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Raemond
🤮
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Jan 2020
2:36pm, 27 Jan 2020
272 posts
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Stander
Not sure he qualifies as young.
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Jan 2020
2:46pm, 27 Jan 2020
853 posts
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Ally-C
Bazoaxe the Tories & the SNP are natural enemies imho, Labour & the SNP shouldn’t be. Unless you’re a Unionist before a socialist. It’s as plain as the nose on my face that Labour’s tactics to win back some of the Northern English seats is to attack the SNP, good luck with that. |
Jan 2020
2:47pm, 27 Jan 2020
19,086 posts
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DeeGee
Whatever your opinion might be of the nation's voting public, Stander, Kelvin McKenzie believes that pitching elections at "the Sun" readership is what's needed to win it, and looking at an electoral map, where the one remaining big red block is in "the Sun"-boycotting Merseyside, would tend to back this up. I have my beliefs regarding democracy and the intellectual deficit inherent in the system, I've gone over them already on this forum and I don't intend doing so again. |
Jan 2020
2:52pm, 27 Jan 2020
10,190 posts
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larkim
Good politicians should be simultaneously educating the population, steering them in a direction through intellect, but also being politically and electorally smart enough to realise that you can't govern if you don't win.
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Jan 2020
3:06pm, 27 Jan 2020
9,481 posts
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rf_fozzy
Agree with Larks. Anyway, the Citizen's Assembly on climate change seems to be working: bbc.co.uk The test will be how *this* govt responds to the outcomes. Or if the report/assembly is simply the outcome... (there is precedent for this - Chris Boardman was asked to be on a panel about cycling road safety - he was v keen until he realised that the policy was to have the panel/report, but then no follow up). |
Jan 2020
3:18pm, 27 Jan 2020
33,992 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
Stander, that's mince. How can you reduce the complexity of political parties and of government to "if you offer people what they want they will vote for you"? A party could have a policy of "Free money for everyone - we'll give ÂŁ10,000 to every one who votes for us" and you're saying they could win. But they can't have that policy, because it's a lie. Or a ridiculous short term simplification. Don't be so reductionist. You're smarter than that, I'm sure. Political parties have an incredibly difficult job to do of balancing the complexities of economics, disparate individuals and communities within their domestic society, interaction with other countries in foreign policy, not to speak of external pressures of climate, natural resources, disease, security and other enormous challenges. The whole principle of government is that we have delegated our authority as individuals to a group of professionals to do it for us. We get a chance once every 5 years to try and distil all of those complexities into a simple tick in a box. It's an incredible balancing act - and on top of that each politician has to temper their own personal convictions with the good of the party. And sacrifice perfect objectives to pragmatism of what can be implemented within constraints of budgets, time, will of other countries and organisations and even conflicting views within your own party. "... offer people what they want..." indeed?!  G
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Jan 2020
3:50pm, 27 Jan 2020
33,008 posts
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LindsD
Thanks, HappyG. You have written what I was struggling to put into words.
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