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Jan 2020
10:04am, 28 Jan 2020
10,545 posts
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Markymarkmark
DeeGee, you have too much time on your hands! Who is Patsy Kensit anyway? 
Going back a few posts to differing standards, I do think it's sad that 80% of the relatively sensible & eminently "debatatable" policies of almost any mainstream party seem to get overlooked in favour of the 20% "extreme outcomes & entrenched views" where most parliamentary time gets spent, with the ensuing froth and spittle from both sides of the political spectrum.
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Jan 2020
11:03am, 28 Jan 2020
1,609 posts
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Surelynot
'Last time, they primarily wanted Brexit. And they voted for the party that actually offered this.'
Our perverse FPTP system allows 43.6% of the vote to be seen as a majority for Brexit. More people voted for parties opposed to Brexit than for it.
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Jan 2020
11:58am, 28 Jan 2020
6,225 posts
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jda
That argument would carry more weight if labour had actually come out against Brexit at any time in the past 3 years.
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Jan 2020
12:12pm, 28 Jan 2020
275 posts
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Stander
I was wondering how that statement from Surelynot could be true when Labour didn't even appear to know what side of the debate it actually wanted to sit.
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Jan 2020
12:42pm, 28 Jan 2020
8,365 posts
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simbil
Something like 44% voted to "get Brexit done".
Of the rest, some wanted it revoked, some wanted a second referendum and some probably want other stuff not primarily Brexit related.
The point remains that all we know is 44% voted to "get Brexit done" and 44% is not a majority vote being as it is, less than 50%...
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Jan 2020
12:46pm, 28 Jan 2020
19,093 posts
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DeeGee
Labour's position was crystal clear! They'd negotiate a cast-iron bolt-on oven-ready deal with the EU within six months, then, such was the confidence they had in their deal, they'd put it to a public vote, where it would be passed with a greater margin than the 2016 second remain/leave referendum. Or not.
And because of this, Corbyn wouldn't come out on one side or the other, because he didn't want to pollute public opinion with his thoughts.
Fact is, Corbyn had been anti-European Communities since before Bonson had even started school.
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Jan 2020
12:47pm, 28 Jan 2020
6,226 posts
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jda
I think this is flogging a bit of a dead horse. It is quite likely that a proportion of Tory voters don't want Brexit and a proportion of non-tory/BP voters do want Brexit. Even if only a minority want it/voted for it, FPTP is the way our system works and people don't seem to want to change that. Only a minority voted for Blair with his minimum wage, shrinking NHS queues and all the rest.
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Jan 2020
12:50pm, 28 Jan 2020
19,094 posts
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DeeGee
Don't forget, simbil, that the non-voters also have to be counted in the "Get Brexit Done" numbers, as their number can't be used to suggest that anything less than 50%+1 of the eligible voting population chose "Leave the European Union" in the 2016 second remain/leave referendum, and therefore, by implication, they don't mind leaving.
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Jan 2020
1:54pm, 28 Jan 2020
8,366 posts
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simbil
Ah yes, I forgot all about that most holy of mandates.
In other news, seems BoJo is tiptoeing between the data superpowers US and China with a cautious green light for Huawei 5G. I reckon China will be quite pleased as it is on balance a victory for them.
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Jan 2020
2:12pm, 28 Jan 2020
19,095 posts
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DeeGee
Until, of course, the USA states categorically that there will be no trade deal for the UK involving any industry that does not meet the USA's data transmission standards, when we'll roll over and concede.
If only there was some kind of supranational body that we could work with to give us clout like this on the national stage now we no longer have pirates, slaves or cotton.
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