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Jan 2020
11:07am, 27 Jan 2020
10,174 posts
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larkim
The problem with such comments made by ET is that if none of the other candidates condemn them etc they stand as part of the cohorts attitude to Scotland. I know I'm not exactly on the same page as many ref Scotland (!), but Labour gaining ground in Scotland has got to be an integral part of forming a UK wide government that a new LP leader needs to be targetting.
Is the delay in RLB getting her nomination complete just down to timing in the Union's hands, or is she struggling?
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Jan 2020
12:15pm, 27 Jan 2020
27,240 posts
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macca 53
Labour may never get another go at governing unless/until it completely reforms its attitude to Scotland (maybe that means “devolution” from Labour Central Office?). That might take just as long as getting the opportunity to rejoin the EU.....possibly not even in my lifetime.....
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Jan 2020
1:45pm, 27 Jan 2020
15,695 posts
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Chrisull
Scotland is gone at the moment to Labour, it may come back in the future (ie after next election), but it may go independent before then. Any Labour strategy now just has to focus on winning enough seats in England and Wales (as Blair did).
The only way to do this via a progressive alliance (standing down in Green/Lib Dem seats) and to support PR. Until Labour understands this, power is a million light years away.
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Jan 2020
1:50pm, 27 Jan 2020
268 posts
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Stander
...or to actually have policies that people want to vote for?
No need to be dicking around with alliances if you offer what the people want. They straight up didn't do that.
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Jan 2020
1:51pm, 27 Jan 2020
15,826 posts
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Bazoaxe
It wouldn't take much searching to find similar comments from SNP people about the Tories. That said 2 wrongs don't make it right and its a pretty poor comment.
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Jan 2020
1:53pm, 27 Jan 2020
269 posts
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Stander
It is common bloody sense.
If you don't offer what people want, they don't vote for you.
If you do, they will.
It really isn't any harder than that.
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Jan 2020
1:58pm, 27 Jan 2020
1,608 posts
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Surelynot
The impact of Scotland's votes on Labour's chances of winning a General Election can be overstated.
Arithmetic alone points to this. There are 533 seats in England and only 59 in Scotland.
For example, without Scotland, Labour would still have won in 1997 (with a majority of 139, down from 179), in 2001 (129, down from 167) and in 2005 (43, down from 66).
It makes it more difficult for Labour but not impossible.
Labour took our votes for granted and the attitude in Scotland is one of aggression against people who have the temerity to stop voting Labour.
They will never recover in Scotland until they have a more constructive response to the constitutional question. And can avoid being embarrassed by the like of Emily Thornbury and other tin-eared politicos with no real understanding of what's happened in Scotland.
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Jan 2020
1:59pm, 27 Jan 2020
6,220 posts
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jda
"policies that people want to vote for"
Soundbites and slogans seem to work well enough for some.
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Jan 2020
2:13pm, 27 Jan 2020
270 posts
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Stander
According to many in here the electorate are just a thick bunch of idiots anyway, so in that case you would be right.
Nothing more difficult than a catchy motto need for all those sun readers, eh?
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Jan 2020
2:15pm, 27 Jan 2020
271 posts
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Stander
..presumably emblazoned across the naked chest of a pretty blonde young thing?
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