Jan 2020
8:40am, 26 Jan 2020
6,212 posts
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jda
The vast majority are too entrenched to change their minds. They'd have to admit they were wrong, which basically never happens. Science advances one funeral at a time, and so does social change. Of course that's not so true when you consider things people don't really care about like gay marriage. But that was lots of people with vague feelings of unease who flopped in favour, it wasn't going from black to white. |
Jan 2020
1:59pm, 26 Jan 2020
2,437 posts
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Fellrunning
I'm not hopeful of rejoining within my lifetime. In fact I'd say there's more chance of HS2 being delivered on time and to (current) budget..
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Jan 2020
2:05pm, 26 Jan 2020
15,824 posts
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Bazoaxe
I see more senior SNP people talking about looking to Catalonia and copying their wildcat referendum. Part of me thinks let’s just have the vote again and put the question to bed. |
Jan 2020
2:21pm, 26 Jan 2020
18,774 posts
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Dvorak
No point in taking the kettle off before it has boiled.
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Jan 2020
2:37pm, 26 Jan 2020
2,551 posts
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J2R
I think Raemond is right. Any Rejoin campaign started now would probably be counter-productive. I would say wait until people have lost their excitement about winning their 'prize', and even then take it cautiously, in case it further entrenches the "We won, you lost, get over it" attitude. Let people become disenchanted without forcing it down their throats all the time.
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Jan 2020
2:39pm, 26 Jan 2020
2,552 posts
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J2R
Oh, and I don't think we'll rejoin within my lifetime either. I would hope that in time we would get much closer to the EU again (probably EEA), without requiring the symbolic rejoining.
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Jan 2020
3:24pm, 26 Jan 2020
10,291 posts
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mrs shanksi
Are they really Baz? It didn't exactly go well in Catalonia. I'm thinking we should ask the question again, but I don't see any point until we know what the deal is with leaving the EU, so not before next year.
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Jan 2020
3:59pm, 26 Jan 2020
15,690 posts
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Chrisull
Yeah I agree with Raemond, and partly with FR. It's the long game now. But it's like chess where you have awkward pieces in the middle and the exchange will leave you worse off, but if the game becoming simpler suits your style, you do it. It's quiet retrenchment of the values of being part of a large political union, pooled sovereignty is far superior to just having your own in the face of US, China and Russia. For instance Trump can't make aggressive tariffs against us because of the Google tax, because while we're in transition he still has to do it against the whole EU!!!! The campaign starts now low key, from the refusal of Brexit 50ps (or giving them to charity) and wait for disenchanted Leaver sentiment to catch up. It will when the penny drops what has happened. It's beginning to Brexit MEPs committing hari-kari, and only after the fatal wound is inflicted appreciating how futile it was: twitter.com Meanwhile the Express finds out that there will be prices for an EU trade deal: express.co.uk Oh eek, they might have demands we might not like. It's called negotiation. I do so wish this had happened in 2017, so we'd have been 2 years further down the road. The last 2 years have done no-one any good, public faith in politicians has been further eroded, the Labour party could have been rebuilding for 2 years by now - we KNEW this was gonna happen one day to Corbyn. |
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Jan 2020
4:12pm, 26 Jan 2020
2,438 posts
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Fellrunning
I'd laugh at that tweet if it wasn't so pathetic.
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Jan 2020
4:16pm, 26 Jan 2020
6,213 posts
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jda
It's still a waiting game for sure, the govt hasn't started to outline what brexit actually means, though it may start to do so early next month. My bet is it will still be vague platitudes that convey no useful information (along the lines of: we will aim to diverge where it suits us and stay aligned where it suits us).
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