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Dec 2019
5:37pm, 16 Dec 2019
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rf_fozzy
Waiting for stander now to parrot the conspiracy theory about auditing of accounts that was shown in no uncertain terms to be absolute bunk and fake news.
Dec 2019
5:42pm, 16 Dec 2019
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run free
So was reading an old article by the BBC on Mr Orange's potential trade deal
bbc.co.uk

Thought to do a bit more investigation and found this paper from the Office of the United States Trade Representation. It is an interesting read and assume with the Joker in power get ready for lower environmental standards: ustr.gov
Dec 2019
5:49pm, 16 Dec 2019
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Raemond
I don't think the average voter has a flying scooby how the EU runs, but they're very ready to believe it's barely functional waste of resources because that's what they've been told by the overwhelming majority of the British press since the 70s.

While there are indeed several examples of ridiculousness or inefficiency in its 50 year history, there's nowhere near as much enthusiasm for reporting on the reforms that have already been introduced or the many many things that work well and benefit normal people every day.
Dec 2019
6:24pm, 16 Dec 2019
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simbil
Stander, you famously haven't made your case here for 'the long term benefit' ;)

But more to the point, BB is saying long term is an unknown so interested in squaring the logic there as it seems the short term hit is expected and agreed.
Dec 2019
6:32pm, 16 Dec 2019
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mr d
The quicker we get back to untreated sewage on our beaches the better imho.
Dec 2019
6:38pm, 16 Dec 2019
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rf_fozzy
And all that air pollution to give people heart attacks (you know the one that the UK has consisted failed to reach a mininmum standard in - but don't forget it's Brussels that holds our Great British environmental standards back)
Dec 2019
6:41pm, 16 Dec 2019
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mushroom
Looking forward to the 'Short Term pain' - when even Jacob Rees Mogg admits any benefits may not be felt for 50 years...

theguardian.com

channel4.com
Dec 2019
7:16pm, 16 Dec 2019
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DeeGee
We call the shots, yeah? Masters of our own destiny, yeah?

forexlive.com
Dec 2019
7:25pm, 16 Dec 2019
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MerryCyclopsmas
Ooh look! He is backtracking on workers' rights and environmental standards. Who guessed that would happen? How many days has it taken?

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Dec 2019
8:42pm, 16 Dec 2019
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Chrisull
For stander - IPSOS Mori - acknowledged to be the best poller this election and having called several recent ones pretty accurately, their stats show that education to Brexit voting predictor is actually one of the best predictors there is:

ipsos.com

And it also follows Labour to Con swing at the election, here is the correlation between number of graduates per constituency (as a percentage) and the swing to the Tories as a percentage, where there are less graduates :

twitter.com

So what J2R is saying isn't some aimless parroting of a slur on Leavers, it is statistically verifiable fact. It isn't something to boast about, it's something to address and do something about. I think EVERYBODY should be better educated and carry on learning for the rest of their life, and it should be part of every government to help subsidise and encourage this. Blair's aspiration to get everyone to university wasn't a stupid one.

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