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Dec 2019
2:43pm, 16 Dec 2019
27,186 posts
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macca 53
...and just as a bit of common sense seemed to be within reach of the CLP, two “leadership contenders” (Thornberry and Flint [really??]) start fighting in a sack....
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Dec 2019
3:09pm, 16 Dec 2019
3,031 posts
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Bob!
Didn't Flint lose her seat?
unlikely to be a 'leadership contender' I'd say
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Dec 2019
3:48pm, 16 Dec 2019
8,315 posts
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simbil
BB, when you say "none of us know what life will be like in 5-10 years time either inside or outside of the EU" it's undoubtedly right as it depends on anything and everything out of all the infinite possibilities that may come to pass.
But we are doing something we know on it's own is probably economically harmful in leaving the EU so it makes it more likely that we will be behind where we would otherwise have been in 5-10 years time.
Or have I missed your point?
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Dec 2019
4:24pm, 16 Dec 2019
1,010 posts
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Brighouse Boy
Simbil - AS you say "more likely", therefore we don't really know for sure do we? Your point may apply just before/just after brexit, but in the long term, who really knows?
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Dec 2019
4:39pm, 16 Dec 2019
5,995 posts
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jda
Brighouse Boy, I certainly accept brexit now in the sense that I am not bothering to campaign against it. I'm not going to accept it in the sense of pretending that it is sensible though. And I am "making the best of it" by preparing to shift my business overseas. That is, best for me (cos it means the business can continue) though not exactly best for the UK as it means all the corporation tax will be paid in Estonia. Shrug. I'm not going to be the pensioner deciding whether to heat or eat so I suppose I shouldn't care.
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Dec 2019
4:41pm, 16 Dec 2019
5,996 posts
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jda
"the public's "Fuck Off" to everyone of those who ignored the initial referendum vote and tried to overturn it by any means possible."
Could be restated as, the over-65s' "Fuck Off" to the under 40s. Or perhaps, the grandparents' "Fuck Off" to their grandchildren.
Charming. Already the first generation in history to leave their children worse off than they were, before they even voted for brexit on top.
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Dec 2019
4:48pm, 16 Dec 2019
1,011 posts
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Brighouse Boy
JDA sorry to hear that you feel the need to move your business overseas. I guess it depends on what type of business you have. There will always be winners and losers with something like this.
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Dec 2019
4:59pm, 16 Dec 2019
5,998 posts
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jda
It's not feel, it's fact - I'm a scientist working with partners in the EU and have to be in the EU to participate. I'm only losing a bit of time and money with the additional costs (assuming I'll still be able to travel freely, if that goes tits up I might just pull the plug and retire, it's only a hobby anyway really). It's the UK that loses far more with the tax losses. But hey, blue passports.
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Dec 2019
5:16pm, 16 Dec 2019
8,316 posts
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simbil
BB, if we know it will be less good in the short term leaving, and unknown in the future either in or out, then taking the short term hit is a worse outcome overall.
Surely it's only worth the short term hit if there is a likely path to much improvement?
Taking a short term hit with no idea if it will turn out better or worse seems a bit of an odd gamble on a national scale.
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Dec 2019
5:34pm, 16 Dec 2019
123 posts
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Stander Claus
Simbil, I think peole have seen how the EU "runs" and how wasteful it is and decided that a short term hit is going to be worth the long term benefit.
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