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MudMeanderer Mar 2021 9:32pm, 10 Mar 2021 2,070 posts	Quote Pin MudMeanderer Some of us struggle with the 'it works' mentallity; some of us find great enjoyment in dissecting such physical models, how to estimate the response of a individual rider to inputs, and thinking about how to efficiently handle the interaction of large quantities of riders. It's not moaning - it's just a particular intellectual curiosity! 😁
MudMeanderer Mar 2021 9:42pm, 10 Mar 2021 2,071 posts	Quote Pin MudMeanderer When I get to a pc tomorrow, I'll sketch out the governing equations and screenshot them, and hopefully that might help with understanding what's going on (unless I confuse things more!)
Big_G Mar 2021 9:55pm, 10 Mar 2021 775 posts	Quote Pin Big_G MM, I'd like to see that. Thanks
Gobi Mar 2021 9:58pm, 10 Mar 2021 73,547 posts	Quote Pin Gobi JdA - did a few hours but nothing heavy. Usually crit before the ttt but we have 6As and a very strong B tomorrow. OK MM I'll shut up and try to just ignore the intellectually superior when they start dissecting, way way above my brain power I'm just a boy looking at a screen playing a video game hoping that when I get outside all the hard work has made me a cycling GOD
larkim Mar 2021 9:59pm, 10 Mar 2021 13,719 posts	Quote Pin larkim LOL, no moaning (honest!). Looking forward to the equations!!
jda Mar 2021 10:32pm, 10 Mar 2021 9,637 posts	Quote Pin jda God may be ambitious but I’m hoping for demi-godly performance in the real world this year too Roll on next month and the start of the club TTs...
Gobi Mar 2021 6:21am, 11 Mar 2021 73,548 posts	Quote Pin Gobi JDA - I'm aiming high but will accept solid human performance
jda Mar 2021 7:15am, 11 Mar 2021 9,639 posts	Quote Pin jda For those interested in the physics of cycling, this page looks quite good. gribble.org Zwift’s simulator will almost certainly be built along very similar physical principles though I don’t think I’ve seen an explicit presentation of this.
larkim Mar 2021 9:33am, 11 Mar 2021 13,723 posts	Quote Pin larkim Interesting thanks jda. I guess I can't really criticise Zwift for going for "realism", it just feels odd to be blending some parts (e.g. actual weight) with virtual ones (e.g. bike weight) together. But I suppose it relies on something pretty physical to drive the purpose of the game overall. As Gobi says - just enjoy it, use it for training etc. But I do like to "understand" too.
Big_G Mar 2021 10:00am, 11 Mar 2021 776 posts	Quote Pin Big_G larkim, I don't know the answer, but do they not use the real bike weights/specs in their virtually equivalent bikes? If so, I'm not sure if it's really blending real and virtual, but just trying to be consistent. If not, regardless for me, the bikes are just a feature of the game, and the levelling up/sweat drops aspect of it, and I just try to ride the best kit for the ride I'm doing. I.E., when I did the Uber Pretzel I jumped on the mountain bike on the off-road section saving a couple of mins there compared to a road bike, and when I went up AdZ I jumped on the climbing bike as I was struggling at that point! When I get the Tron bike, probably I won't bother too much with that stuff