6 Jul
10:22pm, 6 Jul 2024
45,030 posts
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SPR
But we would..
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6 Jul
10:25pm, 6 Jul 2024
22,646 posts
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rf_fozzy
Johnny Blaze wrote: They wouldn't be moaning if the positions were reversed. Cameron got 35-36% in 2015. Not a murmur from the media about lowest vote share etc |
6 Jul
10:26pm, 6 Jul 2024
17,414 posts
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jda
richmac wrote: It's not his fault the system is what it is. That’s true now. In 5 years time it won’t be. |
6 Jul
10:27pm, 6 Jul 2024
5,738 posts
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paulcook
John Curtice said it was more a Conservative loss than a Labour win, with Labour "really yet to win people over". And I think Johnson called it a win that was as wide as it was shallow. While both possibly correct, I think especially Johnson is forgetting Labour won and Thursday's support is now already, completely irrelevant (a week is a long time in politics) if they perform over the next 5 years. |
6 Jul
10:47pm, 6 Jul 2024
32,725 posts
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Johnny Blaze
35% shouldn't really win but the voting has splintered big time at this election. A 4/5 party split is fairly unusual.
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6 Jul
11:30pm, 6 Jul 2024
22,647 posts
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rf_fozzy
Btw, in 2019, SNP got 50-odd seats on 3% vote share if you want to compare proportionality of the UK voting system. (Yes I know that that 3% is UK wide and the SNP only stand in Scotland). Final point to add is that you cannot simply extrapolate vote share in a fptp election and say that it would be the same under PR. |
6 Jul
11:57pm, 6 Jul 2024
9,083 posts
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Pothunter
rf_fozzy wrote: Final point to add is that you cannot simply extrapolate vote share in a fptp election and say that it would be the same under PR. Yes, very important to keep in mind - although spoils the tabloid headlines to do so |
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7 Jul
5:03am, 7 Jul 2024
17,415 posts
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jda
Yes of course a significant advantage of a proportional system is that you can vote for who you want to win. Given that labour’s strategy was mainly “you have to vote for us if you want the tories out” does anyone seriously doubt their vote share would drop under such a system? |
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7 Jul
8:39am, 7 Jul 2024
9,085 posts
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Pothunter
Interesting question. Would I have risked voting someone other than Labour in a PR system and risk splitting the non-Tory vote? Possibly, but that also might be offset by someone who voted LD this time but whose “home” is more naturally Labour. I suspect it would take a few elections for strategies to even out and people to really understand how it all works |
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7 Jul
8:45am, 7 Jul 2024
5,741 posts
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paulcook
I think the theoretical figure without tactical voting was 28 or 29% for Labour. Though given virtually all the polls were wrong, I'd take with a pinch of salt.
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