6 Jul
8:06am, 6 Jul 2024
28,387 posts
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richmac
^ he's got potentially the hardest start
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6 Jul
9:44am, 6 Jul 2024
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Chrisull
Wake up and see Starmer cancelling Rwanda as a first announcement (leaked by the Telegraph). It's as if a social democratic party elected on a social democratic platform doing exactly the things a social democratic party should be doing, is anything other than a good thing?! Also found my local mp hailing Cornwall's "red-wall". I am loving it. Look let's be honest, Labour will do some undoubtedly shit things that will make ALL our bloods boil, but at the moment they are not. They are making appointments, that even if you disagree with (as jda does on Vallance) have things you can argue in favour of, and are thoughtful, interesting and set the tone for government. The far left is making itself look stupid at the moment carping (Varoufakis and Owen Jones immediately on my timelines) when they should at least celebrate the end of some of the worst politicians this country has ever known. Stop this endless factionalism. Progressive parties hold over 500 seats in this government. What an extraordinary result. Farage managed 200,000 more votes than UKIP did in 2015. Less than 15%. Not exactly a breakthrough, UKIP came within a whisker of several seats too. It is correct that their views are represented in Parliament, like them or not. What we need is sensible,boring, workable governance. I saw John McDonnell on TV, pragmatic as ever (Corbyn falling out with him was never a good look, McDonnell is the one who scared the right as they thought - and said - he could not only enact problem left wing policies but sell them to the public - I was always a McDonnellite never a Corbynite - and even then not uncritically so, even my fave (ex)politician Caroline Lucas made some appalling blunders), But McDonnell said he understood the priorities, but was ready, when time is right (ie late Autumn), to push to end the 2 child benefit cap. As some right wing journos are pointing out, there is no simple Farage + Tories = next govt equation. For starters some in both parties hate the other and would rather walkaway. But even then they make 38% at most. And plus you have a educated, aware tactical voting bloc ready to attempt to stop Farage. For next 4-5 years it is people from our side who set the agenda. And if we suspect people such as Streeting, Akehurst, Mandelson not really being on our side, that's fair enough - oppose, fight them, I don't like them either. But for heaven's sake, smile for just once. The future is a little bit brighter. |
6 Jul
9:55am, 6 Jul 2024
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TROSaracen
Angela Rayner dressing like Hyacinth Bucket has been disappointing though 
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6 Jul
10:08am, 6 Jul 2024
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richmac
I like some of the appointments, Timpson and Valance for instance. Hoping Rayner won't suffer the fixations that some had towards Patel. Already to late for that though |
6 Jul
10:14am, 6 Jul 2024
10,387 posts
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Northern Exile
Chrisull wrote: ..... but for heaven's sake, smile for just once. The future is a little bit brighter. You think? I wish I could share your optimism. |
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6 Jul
10:28am, 6 Jul 2024
21,875 posts
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Chrisull
Yep I realise Ukraine (and Putin's continuing dark shadow), Gaza, looming Trump, France maybe going ultra right this weekend, accelerating climate change are reasons for long term pessimism - but without hope we can't attempt to change things for the better.
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6 Jul
10:32am, 6 Jul 2024
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riggys99
Just reading an article on BBC news interviewing voters from Barnsley some who voted Remain. Shows what Labour will be up against even in a historically Labour heartland. One woman who’s shutting her florist shop because of cost of importing from the Netherlands since brexit doesn’t blame Farage as the the conservatives were in power bbc.co.uk
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6 Jul
10:38am, 6 Jul 2024
32,717 posts
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Johnny Blaze
An interesting point was made that the Lib Dems capitalised on Tory seats where Conservative voters flipped because of Brexit and the clownish incompetence and unethical behaviour displayed by Johnson and his minions. That might become more of a thing in future elections as the Brexit generation ages out.
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6 Jul
10:44am, 6 Jul 2024
5,727 posts
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paulcook
Chrisull wrote: The far left is making itself look stupid at the moment carping (Varoufakis and Owen Jones immediately on my timelines) when they should at least celebrate the end of some of the worst politicians this country has ever known. Stop this endless factionalism. To be fair to Owen Jones, I've seen some prominent people and left-wing journalists also have a ridiculous pop at him and other progressive politicians and activists. Including for stopping Thangam Debbonaire from winning, giving IDS a free ride into parliament, and one extreme take saying the "far left nearly delivered a Tory government". Chrisull wrote: But for heaven's sake, smile for just once. So that goes both ways. Even in Labour supporters getting a landslide, they're still complaining too. Mind, the worst take I've probably seen so far, from one journalist / author, was that Labour will be "gutted" they didn't get more votes than Corbyn. I understand comparisons being made, but "gutted" is wild and frankly absurd. |
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6 Jul
10:53am, 6 Jul 2024
21,876 posts
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Chrisull
Oh agree pretty much entirely Paul, I think what grates with Jones for me was his almost uncritical support of all things Corbyn - and then flipped to supporting Starmer, then turned against Starmer and was in favour of all things Green and then attacking quite a few things he used to stand up for. I mean his - I've been Labour for the past 20 years. And it's like so Owen you were a member of Labour during the end of Iraq and Afghanistan campaigns, something I resigned from the party for in 1999 and never went back over? As for his uncritical love of all things Green Even Green mps would have a hard time supporting everything in their manifesto, and I say that as something who broadly support it. I was delighted to see Labour lose out in Bristol, and the Greens get a decent foothold, but they need to use it. Apparently their council was really poor in Brighton and led to them being kicked out there. As my son pointed out (the one doing environmental science), the greens have to appease both their nimby, Tory loving nature ones, and the socialist, activist, true progressive change side. Out of all the parties they have the hardest task to reconcile, the ultra right and ultra left under one umbrella. |
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