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Jan 2020
1:48pm, 14 Jan 2020
11,818 posts
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Cerrertonia
Has there ever been a sovereign state comprising the whole of Ireland? I don't think so. Not sure you can use that as a valid test
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Jan 2020
1:49pm, 14 Jan 2020
9,434 posts
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rf_fozzy
Independence for Wessex!!
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Jan 2020
1:50pm, 14 Jan 2020
6,120 posts
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jda
Sturgeon has always been very clear that her vision of nationalism is a civic one, based on the people living there, far removed from the ethnocentric exclusionary vision of many in England. Of course that's helped by the fact that there isn't really a clear definition of what Scottish might really be in terms of nationality. The various sports make up their own definitions to suit themselves AFAIK, and the legal stuff is primarily based on where you live and act rather than where you were born.
IMO it's therefore a significant misjudgement to reject the notion of scottish nationalism, based on what can be seen of english nationalism. That's not to say it is all sweetness and light north of the border...
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Jan 2020
1:51pm, 14 Jan 2020
10,275 posts
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mrs shanksi
And the Kingdom of Fife!
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Jan 2020
1:51pm, 14 Jan 2020
6,705 posts
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paul the builder
"the current border of Northern Ireland as I understand it doesn't properly correspond to the traditional province of Ulster"
This is correct, and not especially widely understood I think. The province of Ulster includes Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan counties (so 9 in total). Partition drew the boundary just around the 6 that make up NI.
Using 'Ulster' as a shorthand for Northern Ireland is either lack of knowledge (I'd give the man on the Clapham omnibus the benefit of the doubt), or trolling (Unionists here, or Unionist-friendly sources like the Daily Telegraph).
Good LOL at DeeGee's last line 
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Jan 2020
1:52pm, 14 Jan 2020
10,276 posts
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mrs shanksi
Shame jda's post got in the middle 😉
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Jan 2020
1:54pm, 14 Jan 2020
6,121 posts
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jda
sorry!
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Jan 2020
1:58pm, 14 Jan 2020
812 posts
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Ally-C
I’ve already stated on this thread that Ulster has nine counties. The flag of which is yellow with the red hand and not the bastardised version flown in the occupied six counties.
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Jan 2020
2:09pm, 14 Jan 2020
10,000 posts
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larkim
Does the concept of Ulster (9 counties, split across 2 states currently) as a "country" have any traction in those counties?
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Jan 2020
2:21pm, 14 Jan 2020
6,706 posts
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paul the builder
No. God forbid things got any more complicated!
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