Jan 2020
3:07pm, 14 Jan 2020
6,123 posts
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jda
Stability? Have you been in a coma for the past 4 years, larkim? (BTW the change in HK's status wasn't all that long ago) |
Jan 2020
3:07pm, 14 Jan 2020
194 posts
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Stander
BBC regurgitating the Daily Mail Bercow expense story. Not that Bercow gives a toss now he is off on lucrative speaking tours. |
Jan 2020
3:09pm, 14 Jan 2020
19,048 posts
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DeeGee
I have no issue with any entity, of any size, deciding to determine its own destiny, free from meddling rules imposed by politicians in another nation's capital, and I don't understand how any PM who was so vehement that one nation should have its own destiny back can be so opposed to exactly the same thing in another nation.
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Jan 2020
3:11pm, 14 Jan 2020
196 posts
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Stander
Wasn't it Sturgeon herself who said in 2014 that the referendum then was a "once in a generation opportunity"? I may be wrong as I am merely regurgitating something I read earlier this morning. Or did she actually mean "as many opportunities in a generation as needed to get the result, I want" |
Jan 2020
3:14pm, 14 Jan 2020
816 posts
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Ally-C
^ no.
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Jan 2020
3:16pm, 14 Jan 2020
198 posts
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Stander
bbc.co.uk This is where I read the Sturgeon once in a generation thing. Not overly clarifying, but this is where I read it at least. |
Jan 2020
3:22pm, 14 Jan 2020
10,005 posts
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larkim
It was Salmond who said the once in a generation thing:- bbc.co.uk "Asked if he would seek another referendum if there was a "No" vote on Thursday, the SNP leader said: "If you remember that previous constitutional referendum in Scotland - there was one in 1979 and then the next one was 1997." "That's what I mean by a political generation." "In my opinion, and it is just my opinion, this is a once in a generation opportunity for Scotland."" I read that as meaning "electorate, take your chance now, you may find we struggle to get another chance in a meaningful period" rather than "once you've voted we'll all agree that the matter is settled for a generation". Of course, BJ is now playing that back without the nuance and context, and then getting repeated in the media such that some believe that it was actually said by Salmond or Sturgeon as a promise. |
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Jan 2020
3:25pm, 14 Jan 2020
10,006 posts
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larkim
LOL @ jda! Stability of sorts!! @ptb - thanks for the clarification. Though if asked I would say I am Lancastrian, it doesn't make Lancashire a country though. I can see though that a Catholic in Northern Ireland might very well have an issue with declaring that they are "British" on an official document. |
Jan 2020
3:29pm, 14 Jan 2020
1,601 posts
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Surelynot
If you were to take politicians' use of terms of speech seriously, Johnson would be dead in a ditch. I'd rather look to legal documents such as the Edinburgh Agreement post-2014 which states that there would be no impediment to the Scottish people deciding to be independent in future, should that be their wish. |
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Jan 2020
3:30pm, 14 Jan 2020
19,049 posts
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DeeGee
Lancashire has a flag, and mapped borders, and a traditional enemy, and its royal house performed all three actions which define a historic country. And the rules it has to live by are made by politicians in a distant capital who were put there mainly by people who the people of Lancashire haven't voted for. |
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