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Dec 2019
9:05am, 13 Dec 2019
1,324 posts
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GeneHunt59
So glad I went to bed early - well at least before the first result was declared anyway. Will be interesting to read this thread in a year's time.
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Dec 2019
9:06am, 13 Dec 2019
2,380 posts
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B Rubble
Does anyone old enough feel a sense of déjà vu from 1983. Hard left agenda of Michael Foot which split the Labour party, huge Tory majority, that didn't work out well for the working class voters who had switched to Conservative...
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Dec 2019
9:06am, 13 Dec 2019
191 posts
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TommyK
"...I am gong to need to really challenge my thinking..."
As we're on opposite sides of that particular debate, we can challenge each other, Bazo.
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Dec 2019
9:09am, 13 Dec 2019
19,012 posts
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DeeGee
I understand the need for soul-searching, but as I see it, I've gone to bed with a Tory government and woken up with a Tory government. It's not the government I voted for, but then again, I've never had the government I voted for.
I just might not have quite such deep pockets to help those who have voted themselves poorer and now can't cope. They'll have my empathy, but not my sympathy.
Let's just get this Brexit done now and see what dead cat they manage to find next.
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Dec 2019
9:10am, 13 Dec 2019
35,484 posts
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Nellers
Yes B Rubble. I was at school in '83 and, although it wasn't entirely about how left Footy was (Falklands Victor getting voted out? Not gonna happen!) it does have that feel. I guess I understand it more now and therefore feel a lot worse about it than I did then.
I've just been for a run to try to clear my head in a constituency that increased Mark Francois' majority. I felt like screaming at almost everyone I met for what they've done.
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Dec 2019
9:11am, 13 Dec 2019
2,497 posts
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OTannenbaumMike
Genehunt59. great point. I have sent myself a meeting notice for 13th December 2020 to look at this evenings/mornings contributions around the 2250-2350 page mark.
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Dec 2019
9:15am, 13 Dec 2019
18,196 posts
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Carpathius
I'm currently in one of the places Labour managed to hang on to.
Back home where I never really expected my own constituency to be anything but blue, I could take it. But a mile down the road the voting populace voted out a very good Labour MP who has done a lot for the town. I'd quite like to stop them and scream WHY?
(I would actually really like to understand).
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Dec 2019
9:15am, 13 Dec 2019
5,973 posts
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jda
Bazo 
Seems to me that Scotland scapegoats England for its problems in much the same way that England scapegoats the EU. However IMO there is a bit more rationality in the Scottish position, especially in the context of aiming to rejoin the EU outside of the UK. The UK really is an unequal partnership in which Scotland's wishes are trampled, whereas the EU is a partnership in which the UK has a very substantial say.
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Dec 2019
9:16am, 13 Dec 2019
2,498 posts
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OTannenbaumMike
B Rubble, yes Deja Vu with Michael Foot's performance. I always think if the unions are involved in leadership election you arent going to get someone who appeals, just a political inflexible plodder and sadly he wasnt the sort to appear on "Im a Celebrity.."
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Dec 2019
9:17am, 13 Dec 2019
43,389 posts
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Diogenes
Stande..., I'm sorry, I mean DV, I see you are stepping back as soon as people start asking challenging questions. I daresay you are still watching though.
Whether you like it or not, the large majority of Fetchies on this thread are Remainers and not Conservatives, therefore this thread will continue to reflect that. You expect us to just accept the fact that a small majority of people who voted in the referendum were Leave supporters, and that because 43% of voters voted Tory that the debate is over. It is not. It is even more important now that the dissenting voices make themselves heard to educated a public that is ill-informed and ill-served by the mainstream media.
It is despair we feel. We've lost years already to this non-issue when the focus should be elsewhere.
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