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Dec 2019
7:30pm, 5 Dec 2019
22,951 posts
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Johnny Blaze
I've got a few Remainer friends who definitely take the view that "if poor people vote for Brexit and they get screwed, it's their own faults, so fuck em". Personally I don't take that view because it's pretty nihilistic and children who will be on the end of the Tory policies will also suffer through no fault of their own.
We may "leave" the EU on 31st Jan but Brexit has injected poison into the national body politic, and the man who did it - who is now marketing himself as the cure - may find he has unleashed events which he cannot control and which will be the end of him and his party. Here's hoping, anyway.
I'm still baffled as to why the country has bought the lies and self-serving bollocks of this charlatan - it just shows how easily nations can lose their sanity completely if someone knows what buttons to press.
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Dec 2019
8:48pm, 5 Dec 2019
27,178 posts
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macca 53
Word ^^
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Dec 2019
9:10pm, 5 Dec 2019
31,482 posts
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LindsD
Yup.
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Dec 2019
9:12pm, 5 Dec 2019
5,910 posts
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jda
For sure there will be innocent victims but if even 10% of the population had done half as much as me to oppose it (and I have hardly been leading the fight) then we wouldn't be in this position.
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Dec 2019
11:07pm, 5 Dec 2019
9,767 posts
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Torry Quine
There are lots of little pockets of us workin away. We have to keep at it and not lose hope jda.
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Dec 2019
8:34am, 6 Dec 2019
33,557 posts
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Merry Christmas & Happy New G(rrr)
Just on the "Tories won't let Scotland have a second referendum [on Scottish independence]..."
They don't have to. If they oppose what is seen as a majority opinion in Scotland for independence (which before Bazo and mrs s dive in, I concede it currently is NOT a majority opinion!) then Westminster refusing to allow Scotland to do something is just a red rag to a bull! It's not going to stop a call for independence, it will inflame it. Best way to stop Scottish independence from Westminster, is to allow yet another referendum, then campaign against it (preferably by lying, which we know the Tory party are excellent at!).
And for benefit of mrs s and Bazo (cos they are good pals and I don't want to be on wrong side of them) I think the bar for independence should be 60% - a 60/40 majority. Not just 50%. It's too big a change for a 51/49 decision. If we're not sure and adamant and with a big, certain majority, then we shouldn't do it. How about that from an independence supporter?!  G
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Dec 2019
8:52am, 6 Dec 2019
24,848 posts
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Wriggling Snake
Imagine if the vote was 59.5 - 40.5
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Dec 2019
9:01am, 6 Dec 2019
185 posts
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TommyK
"...I think the bar for independence should be 60% - a 60/40 majority..."
As another Independence supporter, I agree.
If the Brexit debacle has taught us anything, it's that simple majorities in referendums don't work.
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Dec 2019
9:02am, 6 Dec 2019
5,912 posts
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jda
Can't disagree with HG there. Didn't the previous one have a 40% of electorate threshold? Anything along these lines (we can debate the details) makes sense to me. The whole point is that you don't want a fragile majority that may change.
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Dec 2019
9:04am, 6 Dec 2019
8,292 posts
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simbil
Talking north of the border, some poll watchers are predicting 8 of the 13 Scottish Tory seats will hold up.
I think what we are seeing is that the opposition has failed to give wavering Tories anywhere to go - they don't want to revoke A50 south of the border and they don't want another independence referendum north of the border. Apparently they think it safer/better that BoJo get's brexit done instead and we deal with the fallout.
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