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Oct 2019
9:12am, 3 Oct 2019
6,633 posts
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paul the builder
I can understand Joris Bonson's approach - present something slightly different, make it out that UK has compromised and the evil EU *still* won't accept our proposal... Obviously political rather than practical.
As you say fozzy - I don't follow why Labour Leavers would play that game too. They know it won't be acceptable to the EU, so they've effectively just added a little weight to Johnson's portrayal of things. (unless it is solely self-preservation, which baffles me. Would they rather be in opposition for the next 5 years to a Johnson government, as long as they keep their seat?)
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Oct 2019
9:21am, 3 Oct 2019
8,882 posts
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larkim
Katya Adler seems a little more positive that the proposals might actually be almost acceptable to the EU.
If their red line is no customs posts on the island of Ireland, they have only Joris' offer or "no deal" (which will include customs posts, surely by definition) to choose between (unless you're cynical and expect the EU to be trying to box the UK into remaining). They may find that the deal is more appealing in that small regard.
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Oct 2019
9:30am, 3 Oct 2019
8,193 posts
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simbil
As Ireland has a veto, I doubt the proposal as it stands has much chance.
It’s better than no deal but not as good as an extension followed possibly by new red lines etc.
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Oct 2019
9:36am, 3 Oct 2019
5,355 posts
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jda
Trying to see the "Labour leave" upside: maybe they think they can come over all reasonable and responsible by saying they agree to it, secure in the knowledge that someone else will take the hit for rejecting it. Mind you, that does require them to be intelligent, foresighted and somewhat devious and they rather give the impression of being spineless clueless patsies.
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Oct 2019
10:17am, 3 Oct 2019
32,588 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
I think the Labour turncoats are playing to a perceived Leaver heartland and voting with their constituents rather than for the benefit of their constituents. Though that is inherently my arrogance in dismissing their Leaver constituents as just "wrong"!
It's touch and go. The EU will back Ireland to the hilt. But Ireland might say "this is better than no deal" and if they're going to leave some time anyway, that the delay of another 6 months or a year and uncertainty are also problematic and damaging. There is a risk/chance of an EU compromise here. Nooo, please don't prove Johnson and the Brexiteers right!  G
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Oct 2019
10:28am, 3 Oct 2019
5,359 posts
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jda
I reckon the EU will play the stalling game cos they know Bonson has to ask for an extension on the 17th at which point the govt collapses and we have a Ge.
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Oct 2019
11:04am, 3 Oct 2019
9,163 posts
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rf_fozzy
This "deal" is actually worse for NI ane Eire than no deal.
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Oct 2019
11:16am, 3 Oct 2019
24,199 posts
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Wriggling Snake
A GE which the conservatives could will win, with a workable majority, and force through whatever they like.
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Oct 2019
11:20am, 3 Oct 2019
5,362 posts
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jda
"Could" win, though it doesn't look likely at this point. And then the only thing they could force through (without EU agreement) is leaving without a deal, at which point....what exactly?
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Oct 2019
11:24am, 3 Oct 2019
24,200 posts
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Wriggling Snake
I say could, you need to remember May, worst PM for quite a while, worst campaign I can remember, and she still won with a pretty big vote, Johnson is far more popular.
I think the conservatives will win, possibly comfortably off the back of 'Get Brexit Done' and pointing at the EU.
I have no idea what will happen with No Deal, don't ask me, ask Johnson and Cummins, so long as they say the 'won', like Trump, they won't give a fuck.
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