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Oct 2020
3:25pm, 29 Oct 2020
4,038 posts
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ThorntonRunner
So how do you define city centre bars vs posh restaurants in order to set different rules for each? That would be a total quagmire. There are anomalies in the regs as you point out, but there is no perfect solution.
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Oct 2020
3:28pm, 29 Oct 2020
19,763 posts
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EvilPixie
Tim you could argue the same about any situation - Nottinghamshire in tier 3 and a small village with zero cases still having to comply
we could argue that the attitude you are showing is part of the reason the virus is still spreading so much
1 rule for them and another for me as I disagree with it
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Oct 2020
3:31pm, 29 Oct 2020
12,071 posts
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geordiegirl
All week Durham County Council have been saying that our numbers continue to decline and we would avoid T3 as long as this continues.
Today they are in talks about placing us in T3... Suspect they were holding out for a better deal.....
and we wonder why people are sick of this the comments on the post are not great.
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Oct 2020
3:32pm, 29 Oct 2020
2,913 posts
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Tim of Fife
I guess I struggle with blind acceptance of each and every bit of new guidance.
My reasoning is simple.
In the last week, I have been to three different eateries, around ten shops, on two trains, out coastal rowing five times with different crew members, and in a business meeting.
If I now test positive, how can anyone truly know where I contracted the virus.
Yet, the assumption is made that is will likely have been hospitality
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Oct 2020
3:35pm, 29 Oct 2020
28,648 posts
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Wriggling Snake
I am having trouble with the pub/bars/restaurant thing too, it is quite obviously NOT where the problem lies, how do I know this, Manchester been under such rules for weeks and the virus spread carries on going up, the problem quite clearly and obviously people passing the virus to eachother in the home. I do not see this stopping. A number of people have stopped listening, are bored, just don't care, never listened in the first place, bend any rules for their own situation (most common if you ask me), whatever, they will start behaving more appropriately soon though, the daily death count will hit 500 a day, then it is a short hop to 1000 a day, then we'll have a full lockdown,
Get ready.
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Oct 2020
3:40pm, 29 Oct 2020
19,764 posts
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EvilPixie
WS I fear that your crystal ball watching is accurate
Boris will have no choice but to lockdown (Patel has said today it could happen) when the numbers get worse
and it will pretty much be the fault of the country for not following guidelines
I know it's been said before but ... they had it worse in WW1 and WW2
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Oct 2020
3:41pm, 29 Oct 2020
12,448 posts
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larkim
There's no assumption about where you contract it Tim. But there is an assumption that if there's 1000 of "you", that the actual source of contraction will be weighted towards the hospitality setting (and potentially the train) as much due to duration of stay and proximity to others, as well as the caution-reducing effect of being socially (and potentially alcoholicly) relaxed. It's not hard to comprehend is it?
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Oct 2020
3:44pm, 29 Oct 2020
1,977 posts
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Cheg
So what does full lockdown look like now? Rule of zero in the house. Work from home mandatory or strongly encouraged and schools closed?
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Oct 2020
3:44pm, 29 Oct 2020
779 posts
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BexleyKev
Seems like a chicken and egg situation- someone has to take it into the household and they have to have picked it up from somewhere / someone else who picked it up from somewhere/someone....
lock the doors and avoid everyone
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Oct 2020
3:45pm, 29 Oct 2020
12,449 posts
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larkim
@WS - I don't think you're wrong about the household transmission, but I think you're over-stating what the impact of the hospitality controls were supposed to do. They weren't supposed to stop any and all transmission; they were just supposed to try to limit it and prevent *some* transmissions in what is effectively an activity which is entirely optional, but which does provide jobs and economic activity.
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Any economists out there - question
Oct 2022