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SPR
2 Aug
3:10pm, 2 Aug 2024
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SPR
Probably worth remembering what the point of this thread is supposed to be (support of transgender people on Fetch that want to exercise) and moving debate to other threads.
2 Aug
3:25pm, 2 Aug 2024
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NDWDave
Yep. Here’s the thread for debating the issue fetcheveryone.com/forum/transgender-athletes-60992/6

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A thread about how we can encourage and include people in whatever exercise they are interested in and removing barriers to participation.”
2 Aug
3:26pm, 2 Aug 2024
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Charlesvdw
If this thread is only for support of transgenders it would be wise not to make questionable statements about Khelif being a woman in this thread.

And Khelif is not a transgender, so the whole discussion started by @Raemondo Raemondo is off-topic, as you rightly state @SPR
2 Aug
3:29pm, 2 Aug 2024
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fetcheveryone
As has been pointed out, this is a thread to support transgender people with their exercise.

Debate belongs on this thread: fetcheveryone.com/forum/transgender-athletes-60992

Thanks all.
2 Aug
3:29pm, 2 Aug 2024
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Charlesvdw
I will continue the discussion in the Olympics thread because this is not a transgender issue @NDWDave
2 Aug
4:02pm, 2 Aug 2024
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Raemondo
The term you're deliberately not using there is 'transgender person', (or trans man or woman) Charlesvdw 🙄

This is an anti-transphobic thread.

My point was about transphobia being harmful.
I was also very clear about Imane not being a trans woman.
3 Aug
8:25am, 3 Aug 2024
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HappyG(rrr)
I guess this thread isn't the best place for discussion about Olympics, which is elite sport rather than exercise and DSD which (and apologies if I've got this wrong) is not a transgender situation?

I've just read Vrap's blog on the IoC decisions and am hearing how incensed some women in sport must be. Very hard situation. I certainly don't know what the right answers are.

This is man-not-splaining I guess. :-) G
3 Aug
4:03pm, 3 Aug 2024
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Vixx
My thought:
Regardless of what ANYONE may think:
- at the moment, the information given on this athlete has been spread by an organisation that appears to be discredited by many.
- whether that information is true or not remains to be seen.
- it's a run-around similar to Caster Semenya: the information is being given out without a thought to the athlete in question.
- it is ILLEGAL to be Trans in the country that this athlete comes from.

Thus:

Has ANYONE given a thought to what may happen to this athlete if she tries to go home and then has to deal with a fraction of what is going out now, with people repeating unchecked social media information? Regardless of her actual genetic situation, she could be in danger. Does anyone care about that?
3 Aug
4:11pm, 3 Aug 2024
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DocM
Well put.
3 Aug
4:25pm, 3 Aug 2024
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LindsD
Absolutely

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Glossary
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This is NOT comprehensive, just some helpful shorthand.
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Gender Identity ≠ Gender Expression ≠ Anatomical Sex ≠ Sexual Orientation

Anatomical sex = The physical aspects that make you fit into a category based on genitals, chromosomes etc i.e. Intersex, Female, Male...
Gender identity = The internal view of gender, the way you see yourself.
Gender expression = The way you present to others externally through clothing, behaviours, language and other social signals.

Sexual orientation = Who you are attracted to.

None of the above are dependent on any of the others, individuals may relate one to another in their specific case, but assuming what one might be based on observation of another is not a sound basis for determination.

Transgender (Trans) = When your gender identity does not match your identity assigned at birth based on anatomical sex.
Cisgender (Cis) = When your gender identity matches your identity assigned at birth based on anatomical sex.
Non Binary (Enby) = When your gender identity doesn't fall into either of the female/male choice. It may exist somewhere on the spectrum between woman and man, either stable of fluctuating between woman-ness and man-ness. This may encapsulate those that may use terms such as genderfluid, agender, demigender et al.

Pronouns = she/her, him/his, them/they etc...
How to refer best to someone else. Really simply, follow their lead. Ask if unsure, be polite. If corrected, it's not a problem unless you repeatedly ignore correction.

Transition = The process somebody goes through to alter their physical attributes to better match their gender identity and expression.

Dysphoria = The distress a person feels due to a mismatch between their gender identity and their sex assigned at birth. Can fluctuate and be experienced at varying degrees.
Dysmorphia = Discomfort with the shape/form of the body. Present in eating disorders and the like, but can often effect transgender people, with triggers such as body hair presence/absence, chest/genital presentation etc.
Deadname - The name a person is assigned at birth, that they no longer use.

Triggers = Things that are known to cause an effect. Typically, X causes a person to experience dysphoria/dysmorphia. Sometimes these can be managed/avoided, other times they are inevitable.

Acronyms:
amab = assigned male at birth (originally born anatomically male)

afab = assigned female at birth (originally born anatomically female)

ftm = female to male transitioner
mtf = male to female transitioner
egg = state of somebody before becoming aware they were transgender i.e. "their egg cracked when they realised and began to emerge"
GIC/GIS = Gender Identity Clinic/Service, providing transition services
GRS = Gender Reassignment Surgery

General notes:
* Not everyone will be comfortable talking about their situation, depending on where they are.
* Not everyone has the language to articulate how they feel, what they want to say. Be patient.
* These things are NOT static, what you encounter in a person today may evolve into something else later.
* Am I trans/cis/enby etc... Frankly, you tell us. Whatever YOU are comfortable with at the time is what we will adopt. It is YOUR identity.
* This language is weird. Yup, and we (CreatureOfTheHill) as a plural system talk strange too, it's OK. We (CreatureOfTheHill) are not "normal", never have been.
* Am I weird/abnormal? Possibly, but it has NOTHING to do with being here or being trans/enby or whatever. People just are in general, and that is OK, we love you for your quirkiness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFL5GTKwonQ


Resources:
Genderbread Person genderbread.org

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