Transgender exercise - Lets Fetch Everyone

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paulcook
Diogenes wrote:I am saddened and sickened by the way this particular case is being used by transphobes to further attack trans people. That's the worst part of this all.


The abuse is appalling.

And the ringleaders are the worst.
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Raemondo
Ultracat wrote:As someone who has never owned a set of pearls, is it necessary to label people in such a way? But I find nothing enlighting in some person hitting a woman so hard they became afraid for their health, whatever gender they claim to be.


You might want to sit boxing out in general, then, I hear it's almost exclusively people hitting other just about as hard as they can 🤷🏼‍♂️
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2:36pm, 2 Aug 2024
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paulcook
I didn't want to post that. Glad someone else did.

We ain't talking about tickling here.
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Raemondo
jda wrote:“Now”? There’s always been a debate over what qualifies as a women in sports long before trans issues became such a big issue.


You don't think there's a specifically transphobic element to the 'controversy' here?
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2:46pm, 2 Aug 2024
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Ultracat
Just as well I never watch boxing and to be honest there is nothing sporting about folk hitting each other but the boxers choose to do it. I just believe a man hitting a woman is not on in any shape or form.
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paulcook
Imane Kalief is a woman, and always has been a woman.
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Raemondo
What's that got to do with Imane Khalif?

She's a cisgender woman, assigned female at birth.

I thought gender assignment at birth was sacred to TERFs?
jda
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jda
"You don't think there's a specifically transphobic element to the 'controversy' here?"

I see one person trying to make it a trans issue here.

I've argued for some time that the trans issue is inescapably linked to the more general one of what a woman is defined as in sport particularly (and of course other areas, but this is nominally a running website). It doesn't seem a popular point to discuss, perhaps because extremists on both sides prefer point-scoring.
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Charlesvdw
This is not a trans issue.

Imane Khelif has XY chromosomes and functioning testes. Khelif has been assigned female at birth because Khelif failed to grow a penis as a consequence of a DSD.

Khelif's gender is female because Khelif identifies as female.

Khelif's sex is male because of XY chromosomes and functioning testosteron-producing testes.

The big question is whether one chooses gender or sex to allow these athletes to compete.
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3:09pm, 2 Aug 2024
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Charlesvdw
Reem Alsalem, the UN’s special rapporteur on VAWG (violence against women and girls), said Carini “rightly followed her instincts and prioritised her physical safety, but she and other female athletes should not have been exposed to this physical and psychological violence based on their sex”.

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A thread about how we can encourage and include people in whatever exercise they are interested in and removing barriers to participation.

Glossary
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This is NOT comprehensive, just some helpful shorthand.
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Gender Identity ≠ Gender Expression ≠ Anatomical Sex ≠ Sexual Orientation

Anatomical sex = The physical aspects that make you fit into a category based on genitals, chromosomes etc i.e. Intersex, Female, Male...
Gender identity = The internal view of gender, the way you see yourself.
Gender expression = The way you present to others externally through clothing, behaviours, language and other social signals.

Sexual orientation = Who you are attracted to.

None of the above are dependent on any of the others, individuals may relate one to another in their specific case, but assuming what one might be based on observation of another is not a sound basis for determination.

Transgender (Trans) = When your gender identity does not match your identity assigned at birth based on anatomical sex.
Cisgender (Cis) = When your gender identity matches your identity assigned at birth based on anatomical sex.
Non Binary (Enby) = When your gender identity doesn't fall into either of the female/male choice. It may exist somewhere on the spectrum between woman and man, either stable of fluctuating between woman-ness and man-ness. This may encapsulate those that may use terms such as genderfluid, agender, demigender et al.

Pronouns = she/her, him/his, them/they etc...
How to refer best to someone else. Really simply, follow their lead. Ask if unsure, be polite. If corrected, it's not a problem unless you repeatedly ignore correction.

Transition = The process somebody goes through to alter their physical attributes to better match their gender identity and expression.

Dysphoria = The distress a person feels due to a mismatch between their gender identity and their sex assigned at birth. Can fluctuate and be experienced at varying degrees.
Dysmorphia = Discomfort with the shape/form of the body. Present in eating disorders and the like, but can often effect transgender people, with triggers such as body hair presence/absence, chest/genital presentation etc.
Deadname - The name a person is assigned at birth, that they no longer use.

Triggers = Things that are known to cause an effect. Typically, X causes a person to experience dysphoria/dysmorphia. Sometimes these can be managed/avoided, other times they are inevitable.

Acronyms:
amab = assigned male at birth (originally born anatomically male)

afab = assigned female at birth (originally born anatomically female)

ftm = female to male transitioner
mtf = male to female transitioner
egg = state of somebody before becoming aware they were transgender i.e. "their egg cracked when they realised and began to emerge"
GIC/GIS = Gender Identity Clinic/Service, providing transition services
GRS = Gender Reassignment Surgery

General notes:
* Not everyone will be comfortable talking about their situation, depending on where they are.
* Not everyone has the language to articulate how they feel, what they want to say. Be patient.
* These things are NOT static, what you encounter in a person today may evolve into something else later.
* Am I trans/cis/enby etc... Frankly, you tell us. Whatever YOU are comfortable with at the time is what we will adopt. It is YOUR identity.
* This language is weird. Yup, and we (CreatureOfTheHill) as a plural system talk strange too, it's OK. We (CreatureOfTheHill) are not "normal", never have been.
* Am I weird/abnormal? Possibly, but it has NOTHING to do with being here or being trans/enby or whatever. People just are in general, and that is OK, we love you for your quirkiness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFL5GTKwonQ


Resources:
Genderbread Person genderbread.org

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