Transgender exercise - Lets Fetch Everyone

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chunkywizard
MudMeanderer wrote:People can have one set of chromosomes, but for some reason (because nature sticks its fingers up at rigid categorisation), they may only partially or never present as the sex associated with those chromosomes. novonordiskfonden.dk

Thanks very much for the link, very informative. So it sounds like the boxer could be DSD. I guess then you need to determine if DSD Females have an unfair advantage. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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9:54am, 2 Aug 2024
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MudMeanderer
I think that's an almost impossible question to answer. DSD is pretty rare, and an elite athlete is pretty much by necessity a genetic and physiological outlier. So trying to achieve a statistically meaningful comparison on tiny sub-population sizes at the extremes of a wide parent population is going to be incredibly difficult.
MsG
2 Aug
10:25am, 2 Aug 2024
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MsG
Ross Tucker's done a special podcast episode on DSDs.
podcasts.apple.com
MsG
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10:26am, 2 Aug 2024
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MsG
Apologies 57.5 you linked to that yesterday
jda
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11:07am, 2 Aug 2024
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jda
It’s nothing to do with transgender directly, but the broader question over what a woman is (in various contexts).
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11:56am, 2 Aug 2024
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Raemondo
jda wrote:It’s nothing to do with transgender directly, but the broader question over what a woman is (in various contexts).


Exactly - now, any woman who excels in a way the pearl clutching brigade consider insufficiently feminine will be accused of not being a 'real' woman according to their ever shifting definitions.
jda
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12:03pm, 2 Aug 2024
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jda
“Now”?

There’s always been a debate over what qualifies as a women in sports long before trans issues became such a big issue.
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1:49pm, 2 Aug 2024
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Ultracat
As someone who has never owned a set of pearls, is it necessary to label people in such a way?

But I find nothing enlighting in some person hitting a woman so hard they became afraid for their health, whatever gender they claim to be.
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1:57pm, 2 Aug 2024
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Diogenes
I am saddened and sickened by the way this particular case is being used by transphobes to further attack trans people. That's the worst part of this all.
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2:14pm, 2 Aug 2024
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57.5 Degrees of Pain
Diogenes wrote:I am saddened and sickened by the way this particular case is being used by transphobes to further attack trans people. That's the worst part of this all.
Excellently put.

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A thread about how we can encourage and include people in whatever exercise they are interested in and removing barriers to participation.

Glossary
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This is NOT comprehensive, just some helpful shorthand.
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Gender Identity ≠ Gender Expression ≠ Anatomical Sex ≠ Sexual Orientation

Anatomical sex = The physical aspects that make you fit into a category based on genitals, chromosomes etc i.e. Intersex, Female, Male...
Gender identity = The internal view of gender, the way you see yourself.
Gender expression = The way you present to others externally through clothing, behaviours, language and other social signals.

Sexual orientation = Who you are attracted to.

None of the above are dependent on any of the others, individuals may relate one to another in their specific case, but assuming what one might be based on observation of another is not a sound basis for determination.

Transgender (Trans) = When your gender identity does not match your identity assigned at birth based on anatomical sex.
Cisgender (Cis) = When your gender identity matches your identity assigned at birth based on anatomical sex.
Non Binary (Enby) = When your gender identity doesn't fall into either of the female/male choice. It may exist somewhere on the spectrum between woman and man, either stable of fluctuating between woman-ness and man-ness. This may encapsulate those that may use terms such as genderfluid, agender, demigender et al.

Pronouns = she/her, him/his, them/they etc...
How to refer best to someone else. Really simply, follow their lead. Ask if unsure, be polite. If corrected, it's not a problem unless you repeatedly ignore correction.

Transition = The process somebody goes through to alter their physical attributes to better match their gender identity and expression.

Dysphoria = The distress a person feels due to a mismatch between their gender identity and their sex assigned at birth. Can fluctuate and be experienced at varying degrees.
Dysmorphia = Discomfort with the shape/form of the body. Present in eating disorders and the like, but can often effect transgender people, with triggers such as body hair presence/absence, chest/genital presentation etc.
Deadname - The name a person is assigned at birth, that they no longer use.

Triggers = Things that are known to cause an effect. Typically, X causes a person to experience dysphoria/dysmorphia. Sometimes these can be managed/avoided, other times they are inevitable.

Acronyms:
amab = assigned male at birth (originally born anatomically male)

afab = assigned female at birth (originally born anatomically female)

ftm = female to male transitioner
mtf = male to female transitioner
egg = state of somebody before becoming aware they were transgender i.e. "their egg cracked when they realised and began to emerge"
GIC/GIS = Gender Identity Clinic/Service, providing transition services
GRS = Gender Reassignment Surgery

General notes:
* Not everyone will be comfortable talking about their situation, depending on where they are.
* Not everyone has the language to articulate how they feel, what they want to say. Be patient.
* These things are NOT static, what you encounter in a person today may evolve into something else later.
* Am I trans/cis/enby etc... Frankly, you tell us. Whatever YOU are comfortable with at the time is what we will adopt. It is YOUR identity.
* This language is weird. Yup, and we (CreatureOfTheHill) as a plural system talk strange too, it's OK. We (CreatureOfTheHill) are not "normal", never have been.
* Am I weird/abnormal? Possibly, but it has NOTHING to do with being here or being trans/enby or whatever. People just are in general, and that is OK, we love you for your quirkiness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFL5GTKwonQ


Resources:
Genderbread Person genderbread.org

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