Transgender exercise - Lets Fetch Everyone
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3 Aug
4:40pm, 3 Aug 2024
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Charlesvdw
@HappyG(rrr) we're continuing the debate in the Olympics thread. The boxers are not transgender people and the purpose of this thread is solely for supporting transgender exercise. |
3 Aug
4:51pm, 3 Aug 2024
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Nellers
Spot on, Vixx.
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3 Aug
4:59pm, 3 Aug 2024
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Raemondo
Vixx wrote: Has ANYONE given a thought to what may happen to this athlete if she tries to go home and then has to deal with a fraction of what is going out now, with people repeating unchecked social media information? Regardless of her actual genetic situation, she could be in danger. Does anyone care about that? Certainly not the usual suspects like Rowling, because they don't actually care about women's safety đ |
3 Aug
6:51pm, 3 Aug 2024
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Charlesvdw
I wouldn't worry about her safety, she will be a national hero in her country. To them she is a regular woman. The only women I worry about are her opponents. |
3 Aug
6:53pm, 3 Aug 2024
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halfpint
Really well said Vixx. People seem to forget there is a person at the heart of this. Iâm bothered by the number of people drawing and sharing definitive conclusions about an issue they cannot possibly have all of the information about.
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3 Aug
6:54pm, 3 Aug 2024
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Raemondo
Yay, kittens.
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3 Aug
7:59pm, 3 Aug 2024
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Raemondo
At the risk of being off topic, this made me do a mildly amused smirk |
3 Aug
8:27pm, 3 Aug 2024
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One Thousand Odd Spiders
One is encouraged not to reply to 'Charlesvdw' using the invective that might actually be relevant.
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6 Aug
6:16am, 6 Aug 2024
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Joopsy
IBA digs in on Olympic boxing controversy that Imane Khelif calls a âfierce campaignâ PARIS, FRANCE - AUGUST 03: Imane Khelif of Team Algeria looks on prior to the Women's 66kg Quarter-final round match against Anna Luca Hamori of Team Hungary on day eight of the Olympic Games Paris 2024 at North Paris Arena on August 03, 2024 in Paris, France. (Photo by Richard Pelham/Getty Images) By Zack Pierce and Nicole Auerbach Aug 5, 2024 PARIS â The International Boxing Association, the organization whose decision to disqualify Imane Khelif of Algeria and Lin Yu-ting of Taiwan from the 2023 world championships is at the heart of a firestorm engulfing the Olympic tournament, hosted a news conference on Monday âdedicated to the detailed explanation of the reasons for the disqualificationâ of the two fighters. Advertisement Instead, what followed was a two-hour affair of little explanation, a great deal of obfuscation, and a series of evasive answers to reportersâ questions that did nothing to back up the IBAâs claims that the women should be ineligible to compete in womenâs divisions, even though they were both assigned female at birth and identify on official documents as women. The controversy escalated last week when Khelifâs round-of-16 opponent at the Olympics, Italyâs Angela Carini, quit their bout after just 46 seconds after taking hard punches from Khelif and saying she couldnât go on. The unusual and swift ending to such a high-profile fight called extra attention to Khelif and Linâs disqualifications at the 2023 worlds, an event run by the IBA, an organization backed by the Russian energy giant Gazprom that has been expelled from its association with the International Olympic Committee and the Games themselves. Khelif and Lin were disqualified in the middle of the 2023 tournament, a few days after Khelif had defeated a Russian boxer, Azaliia Amineva. The IBA said Khelif and Lin were found to have âcompetitive advantages over other female competitors.â Khelif said in an interview published Monday by The Associated Press and its video partner SNTV that she feels her best response to the âfierce campaignâ against her is to win a gold medal. âThis thing has effects, massive effects. It can destroy people, it can kill peopleâs thoughts, spirit, and mind,â she said. âAnd it can divide people. And because of that, I ask them to refrain from bullying.â Play: Video On Monday, with a platform to lay out their supposed evidence for the disqualifications, IBA president Umar Kremlev spent most of his time speaking in vague terms about upholding rules, defending democracy and dissatisfaction with IOC president Thomas Bach, while repeatedly criticizing the opening ceremony of the Paris Games. The expert doctor the IBA brought to the panel â Dr. Ioannis Filippatos, a former chair of the IBAâs medical committee â offered little in medical specifics, saying, at one point, âI donât want to speak too much medicine to you.â Asked how anyone could trust the IBA after years of judging scandals, financial corruption and other misdeeds, Chris Roberts, the organizationâs secretary general, talked about bureaucratic successes that had little to do with public trust. Advertisement About the closest anyone got to adding detail was when talking about two separate blood tests they said Khelif and Lin underwent, though no documentation of the tests were provided. One test was performed in Istanbul in 2022 and deemed âinconclusive,â Roberts said. A second test was then performed at the world championships in 2023 that led to their subsequent disqualifications. The IBA officials said the national Olympic committees of Chinese Taipei (the Olympic designation for Taiwan) told them not to disclose private information about any boxers. Instead, the officials spoke in broad and often contradictory terms about gender, sex and their own tests. Kremlev said the testing showed testosterone levels as high as those for men but that he could not give any proof. The comment contradicted IBAâs official statement last Thursday, in which it stated that âthe athletes did not undergo a testosterone examination.â But, repeatedly, IBA officials referred to high testosterone levels at Mondayâs news conference. âWeâre not able to disclose the results of any tests,â Roberts said. âBut you can read between the lines about where that sits.â Kremlev said Monday that the IBA would compensate the âwomen victimsâ who lost to Khelif and Lin at the Paris Games, saying that they were harmed by the inclusion of the two fighters in the event. He did not express any concern for the mental or physical wellbeing of Khelif and Lin, who have found themselves at the center widespread scorn, though he was asked specifically about them. Khelifâs coach, Mohamed Chaoua, in an interview with SNTV and the AP, dismissed the IBAâs tests as âworthless.â âThey (boxing authorities) did some worthless tests, tests that donât show anything, the only test that matter is the sexual one, the only test to prove a person is a man or a woman, or trans,â Chaoua said in the interview. âThey didnât (do those tests). They took blood samples and said they found this and that.â The IOC â which has said that countries that stay loyal to the IBA are risking boxing at the 2028 Los Angeles Olympics â has repeatedly defended Khelif and Linâs inclusion in the Games, saying they meet all eligibility criteria. go-deeper GO DEEPER Questions and answers: The Olympic womenâs boxing gender controversy âThey are eligible by the rules of the federation which was set in 2016, and which worked for Tokyo too,â where Khelif and Lin also competed, IOC spokesman Mark Adams said last week. âTo compete as women, which is what they are. And we fully support that.â Khelifâs quarterfinal opponent, Hungaryâs Anna Luca Hamori, added fuel to the controversy before their bout with a series of disparaging social media posts that played into the IBAâs messaging. Their fight went the distance, with Khelif winning by unanimous decision. The two seemed cordial after the fight, but the Hungarian fighterâs camp did not exactly douse the fire in its post-fight comments. Advertisement âWe are not afraid of difficult circumstances and are ready to fight even among difficult circumstances,â said BalĂĄzs FĂźrjes, a Hungarian International Olympic Committee member. âWe are proud founding members of the international Olympic family. We are 100 percent convinced that the International Olympic Committee will make the right decisions.â After beating Hamori, Khelif collapsed to the mat in tears. She told the AP the whole ordeal was weighing on her. âI couldnât control my nerves,â Khelif said. âBecause after the media frenzy and after the victory, there was a mix of joy and at the same time. I was greatly affected because honestly. It wasnât an easy thing to go through at all. It was something that harms human dignity. And this is what affected me at the end of the match.â Nearly two hours into Mondayâs news conference, most of the reporters present relocated toward the back of the room, where another Algerian boxer, Roumaysa Boualam, spoke in support of Khelif, her friend. Boualam held the Algerian flag as she called the entire ordeal âdisgusting.â âShe will box, and she will fight,â Boualam said. âThis is unfair, whatâs happened. ⌠We have to support her.â Khelif (66 kilograms, 125 pounds) and Lin (57 kilograms, 145 pounds) have already clinched medals by making the semifinals in their respective weight classes. Boxing has no bronze medal bout â the semifinal losers each get a bronze and are not asked to fight again. Khelif fights Tuesday night at Roland Garros, which is converting one of its arenas to a boxing venue with tennis concluded. Lin fights Wednesday night. |
6 Aug
6:18am, 6 Aug 2024
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Joopsy
Taken from. the Athletic. That's cleared that up then! Russian backed organisation can't seem to provide a clear explanation, doubt that will stop all the armchair experts though. |
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