Transgender exercise - Lets Fetch Everyone

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23 Apr
10:09pm, 23 Apr 2024
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larkim
Yes. No prize money for the London NB category (winning time was 3h+). I'm conflicted about the prize money but providing a category beyond m/f feels right.
2 Aug
8:38am, 2 Aug 2024
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Raemondo
Well, here's an incredibly clear example of how transphobia hurts all women and is just another form of misogyny:

https://www.sportingnews.com/au/olympics/news/imane-khelif-gender-eligibility-test-ioc-iba-championship/f36302ed5889c11046e5c704#:~:text=While%20some%20reports%20indicate%20Khelif,in%20a%20statement%20on%20Wednesday.

Imane Khalif is a cis woman assigned female at birth who has always lived as and identified as a woman.

Not to mention it's illegal to be openly trans in Algeria, and transphobic violence is common, so the chances of a trans woman being selected to represent the country are... let's say 'slim'.

But, everyone knows women can't actually be *good* at things, don't we?
So she can't possibly be a *real* woman 🤦🏼‍♂️
2 Aug
8:43am, 2 Aug 2024
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Raemondo
Hmmm, can't make the link work.

Some extra info from it: the IOC doesn't recognise the International Boxing Association because it's mired in allegations of corruption, match fixing, hiding doping, etc, and refuses to specifically what tests exactly Khalif and one other female boxer 'failed' when they were suddenly banned from its competitions.
2 Aug
8:51am, 2 Aug 2024
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MudMeanderer
She's received support from at least one of her opponents bsky.app
2 Aug
8:53am, 2 Aug 2024
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HappyG(rrr)
sportingnews.com

It's the extra bit after #:~text= that Google puts in when you do a search in it highlights the text that it found. Breaks Fetch's links.

I have to say, as a man, feels really hard for me to comment, but my overriding thought is that no person who lives in a gender different to that of their birth does it for sporting benefit. It's a huge change and presumably, for most, incredibly hard physically and emotionally.

But of course, if you are a woman in sport who then comes up against a competitor who was born male and has higher muscle mass and either high current or former testosterone levels then you are not competing on a level playing field. And in boxing that could actually be dangerous, receiving a harder punch than you've ever experienced before.

My instinct is to support those who have had to undergo the incredibly hard transition of gender in any possible way. But it's not my place to say what the answer is for trans-women and cis-women in competitive sport. I can't think of an answer that doesn't hurt someone.

Sorry, this really doesn't add anything to the convo. I just came to fix Rae's link! :-) G
2 Aug
8:57am, 2 Aug 2024
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chunkywizard
I am confused by all of the different information out there on the subject, see this tweet https://x.com/sharrond62/status/1819069704134160786. Sharon is saying they are male due to chromosomes. Can someone explain if this is correct? As I see it, it's not a transgender issue at all, but then again my knowledge on the subject is minimal so happy to be corrected.
2 Aug
8:58am, 2 Aug 2024
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HappyG(rrr)
Again, think the full stop broke your link cw! x.com
2 Aug
9:00am, 2 Aug 2024
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Ultracat
I don’t see it as a transgender issue either.
2 Aug
9:08am, 2 Aug 2024
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57.5 Degrees of Pain
Without knowing exactly what condition the two boxers have it is hard to be specific, but the Science of Sport podcast from yesterday has a good summary of a typical DSD condition. I think specifically the condition affecting Caster Semenya.
2 Aug
9:26am, 2 Aug 2024
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MudMeanderer
chunkywizard wrote:I am confused by all of the different information out there on the subject, see this tweet https://x.com/sharrond62/status/1819069704134160786. Sharon is saying they are male due to chromosomes. Can someone explain if this is correct? As I see it, it's not a transgender issue at all, but then again my knowledge on the subject is minimal so happy to be corrected.


People can have one set of chromosomes, but for some reason (because nature sticks its fingers up at rigid categorisation), they may only partially or never present as the sex associated with those chromosomes. novonordiskfonden.dk

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A thread about how we can encourage and include people in whatever exercise they are interested in and removing barriers to participation.

Glossary
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This is NOT comprehensive, just some helpful shorthand.
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Gender Identity ≠ Gender Expression ≠ Anatomical Sex ≠ Sexual Orientation

Anatomical sex = The physical aspects that make you fit into a category based on genitals, chromosomes etc i.e. Intersex, Female, Male...
Gender identity = The internal view of gender, the way you see yourself.
Gender expression = The way you present to others externally through clothing, behaviours, language and other social signals.

Sexual orientation = Who you are attracted to.

None of the above are dependent on any of the others, individuals may relate one to another in their specific case, but assuming what one might be based on observation of another is not a sound basis for determination.

Transgender (Trans) = When your gender identity does not match your identity assigned at birth based on anatomical sex.
Cisgender (Cis) = When your gender identity matches your identity assigned at birth based on anatomical sex.
Non Binary (Enby) = When your gender identity doesn't fall into either of the female/male choice. It may exist somewhere on the spectrum between woman and man, either stable of fluctuating between woman-ness and man-ness. This may encapsulate those that may use terms such as genderfluid, agender, demigender et al.

Pronouns = she/her, him/his, them/they etc...
How to refer best to someone else. Really simply, follow their lead. Ask if unsure, be polite. If corrected, it's not a problem unless you repeatedly ignore correction.

Transition = The process somebody goes through to alter their physical attributes to better match their gender identity and expression.

Dysphoria = The distress a person feels due to a mismatch between their gender identity and their sex assigned at birth. Can fluctuate and be experienced at varying degrees.
Dysmorphia = Discomfort with the shape/form of the body. Present in eating disorders and the like, but can often effect transgender people, with triggers such as body hair presence/absence, chest/genital presentation etc.
Deadname - The name a person is assigned at birth, that they no longer use.

Triggers = Things that are known to cause an effect. Typically, X causes a person to experience dysphoria/dysmorphia. Sometimes these can be managed/avoided, other times they are inevitable.

Acronyms:
amab = assigned male at birth (originally born anatomically male)

afab = assigned female at birth (originally born anatomically female)

ftm = female to male transitioner
mtf = male to female transitioner
egg = state of somebody before becoming aware they were transgender i.e. "their egg cracked when they realised and began to emerge"
GIC/GIS = Gender Identity Clinic/Service, providing transition services
GRS = Gender Reassignment Surgery

General notes:
* Not everyone will be comfortable talking about their situation, depending on where they are.
* Not everyone has the language to articulate how they feel, what they want to say. Be patient.
* These things are NOT static, what you encounter in a person today may evolve into something else later.
* Am I trans/cis/enby etc... Frankly, you tell us. Whatever YOU are comfortable with at the time is what we will adopt. It is YOUR identity.
* This language is weird. Yup, and we (CreatureOfTheHill) as a plural system talk strange too, it's OK. We (CreatureOfTheHill) are not "normal", never have been.
* Am I weird/abnormal? Possibly, but it has NOTHING to do with being here or being trans/enby or whatever. People just are in general, and that is OK, we love you for your quirkiness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFL5GTKwonQ


Resources:
Genderbread Person genderbread.org

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