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Aug 2023
10:27pm, 9 Aug 2023
30,753 posts
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Johnny Blaze
Agreed. Others have. But in point of fact we aren't, and it's a bit hyperbolic to say we are.
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Aug 2023
10:28pm, 9 Aug 2023
30,754 posts
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Johnny Blaze
Or we would be. Labour haven't won anything yet.
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Aug 2023
7:18am, 10 Aug 2023
8,104 posts
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Pothunter
Now Jenrick threatening to take us out of the ECHR. I hope that any Tory voters realise that this impacts their own human rights, not just asylum seekers.
Just when you think they can’t get worse…
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Aug 2023
7:37am, 10 Aug 2023
22,794 posts
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richmac
Way back, when the Brexit campaign was in full swing and leavers were talking about getting rid of red tape and controlling the labour market as a bonus not that many people, I think really understood that but red tape they meant 'your rights and protection' and by 'labour market' they meant you.
They presented the EU as the bogeyman to get people to vote against their interests.
Fast forward to now. Brexit has failed to deliver the wholesale screwing of people so now immigrants are the new Trojan horse that this lot want to use to further sever the lingering ties with the EU.
I'd say leaving the ECHR should be a thing so serious that a referendum should be required, but if that happens and we leave it then getting back in is well you know. If this shower take us out unilaterally then it'll be legit for the next gov. To slide back in.
Not saying this is the whole reason for whipping up hate against migrants, but I think there is an element of it.
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Aug 2023
7:42am, 10 Aug 2023
2,833 posts
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Surelynot
Leaving the ECHR would have serious implications for peace in Ireland under the Good Friday Agreement. This is not a serious proposal.
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Aug 2023
7:53am, 10 Aug 2023
8,105 posts
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Pothunter
Went past this on the bus (hence the not very good pic) and thought of this thread 😂
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Aug 2023
8:17am, 10 Aug 2023
9,788 posts
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Fields
Lee Green isn’t it? Got a mate who lives round there so keep meaning to go when I visit him.
Don’t get upcountry much though
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Aug 2023
8:52am, 10 Aug 2023
30,755 posts
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Johnny Blaze
You have people like Labour Peer Alf Dubs, who was on the kindertransport and has spent decades fighting for the rights of refugees, and you have Tories like Patel, Raab C Brexit, Sunak, Zahawi and Braverman who are the children of migrants or refugees who seem to hate refugees with a passion, or at the very least, pretend to do so for purely personal advantage.
And people say the two parties are "just the same really". There's something very broken in the minds of Tory politicians.
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Aug 2023
8:56am, 10 Aug 2023
60,829 posts
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Derby Tup
On point JB
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Aug 2023
9:56am, 10 Aug 2023
2,834 posts
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Surelynot
JB - philosophically, the two parties are not the same, obviously. But Labour is prepared to continue with policies introduced by those 'very broken minds'. Can you not accept this as valid criticism?
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