The Sub 3:15 Marathon Thread

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Aug 2017
2:13pm, 14 Aug 2017
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Windsor Wool
Thanks PtB. Felt really good yesterday, keeping it steady but strong. It's amazing what just a few weeks of decent miles and a few sessions can do. More to come I hope.

It's interesting to see how crap everyone is at the HM distance in the summer time. The 5k obsession makes it tougher for most at this time of the year due just to lack of training. I had to look after 2 of my younger / much faster club mates after the race (& of course after having overtaken them on the course!).
Aug 2017
2:33pm, 14 Aug 2017
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larkim
@Happy. I got used to the 20+ runs when doing the 33 mile sandstone trail, so it wasn't hard to get back into them as a precursor to following the plan proper. I think with relatively light mileage (i.e. under 50 per week) it's not so hard to drop in a 20+ miler as there is sufficient recovery time in the rest of the week. I'm not so sure I'd have been happy to run 20+ mile runs in a week which had me running every day of the week or accumulating 70+ miles.

Whether my lack of overall volume compared to others leaves me short on miles is a separate discussion - clearly following the P&D 12 week programme up to 55 miles is unlikely to bring the same overall performance as 18 weeks 70+, but that would have been biting off too much for me. Maybe one day...
Aug 2017
9:05am, 15 Aug 2017
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larkim
Two learnings from last night.

Planning 17 miles in the evening after a full day at work only getting back from holiday on the previous night is probably not a generally good idea (though I did get it done).

And running around a forest at 9:15 under cloud leaden, rainy skies with 6 miles still to go on unlit country roads with no headtorch makes you rather uncertain whether the next footstep is going to send you flying. Couldn't see a thing by the time I reached the road lights about a mile from home.
Aug 2017
9:25am, 15 Aug 2017
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paul the builder
Impressive dedication larkim. Don't go Bazo-ing it all up now on an unlit trail.
Aug 2017
9:29am, 15 Aug 2017
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larkim
His name was running through my head all the way. "Don't do a Baz, don't do a Baz".

As an observation, the worst part wasn't actually running in the near pitch black - there was still generally sufficient ambient light to at least see where the road broadly was, even if I couldn't quite make out any potential hazards on the road or trail surface. It was when cars were coming towards me with full beams on that I most nearly came a cropper - natural instinct to veer towards the verge, and a complete blackout in terms of what I could actually see.
Aug 2017
9:44am, 15 Aug 2017
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larkim
And before anyone pipes up - yes, I agree it was stupid and foolish to be running in those conditions!!! I was wearing plenty hi vis so not a hazard to motorists though, just to myself. No headphones though ;-)
Aug 2017
10:35am, 15 Aug 2017
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HappyG(rrr)
Good effort larks. As ptb says, dedication. Joking apart, do be careful though! And another serious, psychological, but positive, point: you can use those sh*tty runs in your race, to remind you how hard you have worked for your race day. I think about runs in cold or rain, or dark or in pain/discomfort. I did all that to be there on race day as strong as I could be. Surely I can do another few miles / 30 mins / whatev of pain after all those hours and days and weeks and months...?

Nice commute run in to work this morning. Running actually feeling good again. Not quick, but not sore and completely ploddy. Gym was really tough last night after 22.6 hilly miles on Sunday! :-) G
Aug 2017
10:43am, 15 Aug 2017
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jdarun
Small hint for low light running - the black and white sensors in your eye (rods) are more sensitive than the colours (cones) and are relatively more concentrated outside the central zone, so looking around can help you sense things better than staring straight at them. Also, shutting one eye can help against car headlights (i.e. by leaving you one eye still adapted for dark). But best of all just take a head torch :-)
Aug 2017
11:26am, 15 Aug 2017
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larkim
Sound mental advice there Happy.

Looking through the data HR was higher (in beats per mile terms) than some recent other LRs, but I suppose that's to be expected with a bit of adrenaline going and at the tired end of the day. Eating a huge meal of pasta and falafel (ooh, how middle class am I!) about 1hr30 before setting out probably pushed the HR higher - I didn't have the heart to tell SWMBO that it was too large a portion, and I'm a glutton for eating everything on my plate!
Aug 2017
11:26am, 15 Aug 2017
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larkim
And thanks to jda for the eye-science - I'll bear that in mind in future!

About This Thread

Maintained by Windsor Wool
For those who want to go sub 3.15 in a marathon and/or those that have already done it and want to give advice. Share your journey or help someone else's here.

2024 achievers:
Akie: 3:15 @ Rotterdam
allmatthew: 3:09 @ Manchester
Bowman: 3:01 @ Boras
Mark J: 3:12 @ Christchurch NZ
PJH92: 3:13 @ London

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