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Sep 2007
6:37pm, 22 Sep 2007
130 posts
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Woffy
Well checking back in following my week away and all I see is impressive racing and training. Big congrats to Matt that is an excellent result, and also excellent racing from JB.
I had a feast of running for me while away as I can generally only get 3 runs a week done, but I enjoyed good use of the treadmill in the holiday centre, and yes I know some will argue that the treadmill is not a fair comparison to the road as it is easier but to that i will state two points:
1) try standing up on a treadmill (no tv or music playing) knowing that you are going to run 18 miles on it at 8:30 minute pace therefore for 2 hours and 40 minutes - then tell me its easy
2) I am one of those people who runs faster on the road than the treadmill, I find the treadmill tougher.
Anyway again just to say well done to all for the training and racing
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Sep 2007
6:44pm, 22 Sep 2007
1,194 posts
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eL Bee!
Woffy - 2:40 on the Deathmill - and you survived..???????
Much respect!
They are instruments of torture
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Sep 2007
10:35pm, 22 Sep 2007
148 posts
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I tried a long run on a treadmill once and gave up after 3 miles, so much respect.
I'm nearly finished my first taper week. Just back from 4 miles which were meant to be at race pace, but ended up doing them at 7.03/mile. Felt good to get a bit of speed up. 
12 miles for my long run tomorrow.
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Sep 2007
1:07am, 23 Sep 2007
1,279 posts
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Keefy Beefy
Did 36K (22.3M) with 5K @ 3:15 pace this morning. Went fine but speeding up to the 3:15 pace was weird after lots of slow running. Off to Italy on Thu so running will suffer there
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Sep 2007
8:26am, 24 Sep 2007
131 posts
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Woffy
Back on the road last night, did 21 miles in 2:56 which felt fine, was going to keep going a bit longer to either 3:00 or even stay on to 3:15 but felt leggy so decided wasn't going to do me any real good.
Dilemma now, I like a full 3 week taper (long run next weekend no more than about 13 miles, then the next weekend about 8 - 10 then the following weekend is the race. However because I was injured for a time, I am toying with another long one next weekend (20 miles again) and a 2 week taper, any thoughts??
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Sep 2007
9:08am, 24 Sep 2007
71 posts
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B Rubble
Good running Woffy. I think the answer to your question would be: "how quickly do you recover?"
Gnerally recovery time is related to mileage. If you are doing 60-70 miles a week it should be no problem, 30 miles and I would say keep it shorter.
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Sep 2007
10:41am, 24 Sep 2007
133 posts
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Woffy
BR I would be doing nothing like 50 miles never mind 60-70, altho' i do tend to recover well, little or no stiffness today. Think I will stick to the 3 week taper tho', not sure I will get any great benefits from doing another 20+ miler.
The only reason I am thinking about it is that the only time I ever did more than 1 20 mile run before any marathon (and I did two that time) turned out to be my PB so its a bit tempting.
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Sep 2007
11:15am, 24 Sep 2007
34 posts
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MattTheRat
I'd do the extra long one. The last few miles at Nottingham hurt much more than London, where I felt fine (just annoyed because I knew I was going to just miss out on sub-3:15). And although I was faster and stronger last week, I hadn't done enough long runs (7 for London, 3 for Nottingham), and I think that was what made the last 10k so tough. A 2 week taper should be fine, but 3 is probably better - so it's a judgement call.
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Sep 2007
11:24am, 24 Sep 2007
4,237 posts
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Woffy - I'd agree with Matt - though it would, in my view, be more for the psychological benefit - i.e. another 20miler under the belt and the PB last time you did 2 20milers. It is with that view in mind that I'm planning to get up (very) early on Saturday and do a hilly 20miler, with over 1000ft of climbing in the 1st 4miles (to prepare for the Snowdonia marathon)
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Sep 2007
11:33am, 24 Sep 2007
137 posts
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Woffy
MtR and JB thanks for the input, I do think the mind is an important part so doing a second 20 miler may be an advantage that way. Will prob wait to see how next weekend goes as I am away on a course all day Friday and Saturday so that may decide it for me.
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