The Environment Thread :-)
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Jun 2024
3:39pm, 27 Jun 2024
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Dave W
But whilst we were in the EU, they were forced to keep it clean. When we came out of the EU, despite the Tories saying that we would have "World Beating" environmental standards (lying bastards, they had no intention of this ever) they have allowed the current shitshow (literally) to happen. It's on their watch. Their fault. Why? |
Jun 2024
3:47pm, 27 Jun 2024
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jda
legislation.gov.uk The UK was a significant player in designing the EU framework, of course. We used to contribute strongly despite the political point-scoring at home. |
Jun 2024
3:47pm, 27 Jun 2024
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Yakima Canutt
Here's a more balanced comment on the changes and impact since Brexit (and with less swearwords as well). aquaread.com |
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Jun 2024
3:54pm, 27 Jun 2024
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Dave W
Since Brexit, the government’s actions relating to water quality have been somewhat inconsistent. For example, in the summer of 2021, both Covid and Brexit caused disruptions to normal water treatment. This lack of access to the necessary treatment chemicals led to an Environment Agency announcement that companies it impacted could “discharge effluent without meeting the conditions” of their permits. This unfortunate occurrence was of course a result of a range of new challenges, but this large-scale dumping of raw sewage was a real setback for UK water and the government’s commitments to clean water. On the other hand, the overarching authority of the EU did put its members under pressure (and rightly so) to improve their environmental efforts relating to water – and that can only be a good thing. The UK, then, should not lose sight of this pressure and continue to take water policy seriously. As much as 25 year plans are encouraging, they are no good without action. It makes me so angry that they can get away with this. As always, they pay lip service to standards, whilst actually allowing them to slip because it makes more money for the almighty shareholders. It literally stinks. |
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Jun 2024
3:56pm, 27 Jun 2024
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Dave W
More balanced? Still pretty damning of the standards set since Brexit. I think mine was in a similar vein. And they are bastards and it is a shitshow. Factual reporting at its best.
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Jun 2024
4:09pm, 27 Jun 2024
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Mushroom
Some good stuff there on the post Brexit standards. I could phrase my question: Why do you think the Tories have screwed us over so much on environmental standards? But I might go with: How can we ensure that the next Govt doesn't just pay lip service to environmental standards? |
Jun 2024
7:16pm, 27 Jun 2024
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rf_fozzy
Mushroom - don't vote Tory or Reform....
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Jun 2024
8:20pm, 27 Jun 2024
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Dave W
Because their raison d’etre is profit for their paymasters and friends and people who may give them a job when they are not MP’s anymore. They do not care about the common people or the common good. Tories never have and they never will. Devil take the hindmost is their creed.
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Jun 2024
12:16pm, 28 Jun 2024
3,247 posts
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Mushroom
Feed back from last night's hustings. It was organised by a local 'Green Deal' community group, so it was based on 'Climate & the environment'. Attendees could write a question and the organisers selected 9 or 10 across different topics to be asked during the event. It was a decent turnout (>100 people). There were 4 people on the panel - Cons / Green / Lab / LibDem - though the LibDem candidate sent a representative as he couldn't make it himself. You could tell his replacement was a) nervous and b) not in candidate mode, as he was having to refer to the manifesto to find suitable responses to the questions. Some questions covered the more straight forward / local impact: - what would they do about the poor quality river water? (the local river is one of the worst in the country for pollution). - what would they do about the application for the large scale upland wind farm on protected land that is situated on deep peatland? - how would the panel support the public's transition to more local sustainable food sources? Other questions were wider scoped: - the use of GDP as an economic measure relies on more consumption of resources (energy, materials, food, etc) which is unsustainable. Is it no longer fit for purpose and what other indicators would the panel employ to measure economic success? - military action and its use of resources can have a large impact on climate issues, yet are very often ignored or excluded from data. How would the panel deal with this going forwards? Some of the candidates' responses were a lot better than others. Green Party - was very considered with his answers. He knew his stuff, and I was quite impressed with him personally. Labour - decent effort on most questions. LibDem - he was a bit flustered, probably didn't win any new votes on his performance, but still managed to portray the LibDems as having some decent ideas. Cons - best highlighted in some of the responses: Q re the use of GDP? Answer: 'GDP is a useful measure for reviewing progress, so we can aim to improve profits which will mean more funds for other services to improve.' [ I took that as - 'I don't care about anything else, we'll continue to aim for trickle down economics..' ] Q re how to support people moving to local food sources? Answer: 'shop locally' [ ie. missed the point completely.. ] Q re military use of resources? Answer: 'We commit to 2.5% of GDP funding to our defence budget'. The Chair thanked the panel for putting themselves forwards for public service. It was an interesting night. |
Jun 2024
12:31pm, 28 Jun 2024
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Chrisull
Green party not attended any of the local hustings (none have been specifically environment based) in SE Cornwall. No election literature from them. Not even sure why they are standing?
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