14 Aug
4:38pm, 14 Aug 2024
50,700 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
There are people in the country who who different views on my bullet point 2 above fozzy. I believe immigrants are good for the country and I welcome them. But not everyone does. So for whatever reason the "debates" on immigration that you say are happening aren't getting through to a sizeable number of people (no, I don't have stats, just anecdotal in my acquaintances and the exaggerated impact of the rioting few, yes, I admit). I think we need to do better on the debate. Or even just a flipping ad campaign or charm offensive of some sort. Why do some people feel so uncomfortable about a minority who look or sound a bit different to them? I don't get it. But we need to do more to confront it, imho. |
14 Aug
4:44pm, 14 Aug 2024
22,892 posts
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rf_fozzy
If people are **really** believing that they haven't had their views on immigration heard and that there hasn't been debate after debate after debate over the past decade or more (hello...Brexit anyone?) on the subject, then either: (a) they aren't paying attention (b) they are prejudiced or biased* in some way (c) they aren't getting their way because more people disagree with them (see BEIS study) (d) they are getting news from a echo chambers online that focus on this subject with substantial misinformation and disinformation (if you want an example, go look at Matt Goodwin's twitter feed - not just his gibberish, but also the replies) (e) they have massively unrealistic expectations of how they think the country should/can be run. or some combination of the above. *I don't just mean racist here - they may have one or more of many implicit or explicit bias and prejudices (in the end we all do have them to a greater or lesser degree - including myself!) |
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14 Aug
4:44pm, 14 Aug 2024
22,893 posts
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rf_fozzy
(the above list of options may not be exhaustive, but I'm tired!)
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14 Aug
4:49pm, 14 Aug 2024
25,347 posts
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larkim
It is a fundamental problem with the RW that if they lose the (intellectual) argument, they always have the fallback position of thuggery and violence. (Not saying that LW uprisings are always non-violent of course, but there's an argument that violent overthrown of oppression has often maintained a moral legitimacy) |
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14 Aug
4:56pm, 14 Aug 2024
22,894 posts
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rf_fozzy
Larkim - There is no distinction between the far left and far right in this regard. The resort to thuggish violence when they lose the arguments (often made in bad faith) should be opposed no matter their political leanings. Rioting has no place in a modern society with a system with fair policing and judicial systems Which is why one of the major criticisms from the hard right has been to criticise the policing of the riots and make bad faith arguments in this area. |
14 Aug
5:03pm, 14 Aug 2024
4,388 posts
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Cheg
I saw a video of a guy saying I can’t be a doctor because of the immigrants. The interviewer was engaging with him. Turns out the bloke left school in year 9. Yeah, but it’s the principle innit. Sometimes there is no engaging. They’re just thick, racist, wrong uns. There is no reasoning, no educating them, no trying to understand their grievances. |
14 Aug
5:07pm, 14 Aug 2024
30,982 posts
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fetcheveryone
I saw that one on TikTok.
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14 Aug
5:07pm, 14 Aug 2024
30,983 posts
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fetcheveryone
He really was as thick as mince.
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14 Aug
5:11pm, 14 Aug 2024
6,200 posts
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paulcook
Unless I’m being stupid fozzy show me the far left riots that have caused millions of pounds of damage and tried to burn people in their homes.
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14 Aug
6:12pm, 14 Aug 2024
45,695 posts
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SPR
Maybe he can apply for the new training places coming soon. bbc.co.uk |
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