20 Jul
4:50pm, 20 Jul 2024
1,142 posts
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Fenners-Reborn
The Media ARE NOW BRUTALLY HOUNDING LABOUR AFTER 3 WEEKS WHEN DID NOTHING FOR 750 WEEKS OF TORY GOV'T You are as culpable as Tory Govt of deceit Yes that's you BBC Sky Kuenssberg Rigby Ridge Peston Burley Mason et al Pathetic at best Despicable at worse |
20 Jul
6:33pm, 20 Jul 2024
22,718 posts
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rf_fozzy
jda wrote: Obviously Starmer and Sunak as PM and Leader of Opposition respectively both studiously ignoring the genocide is far better than when we only had Sunak and Starmer as PM and Leader of Opposition respectively studiously ignoring the genocide. Ignoring the situation in Gaza? huffingtonpost.co.uk theguardian.com bbc.com As with the situation in Ukraine where some were calling for the UK to magically end the war immediately, I see we are also asking for a magical end to the conflict in Gaza too. Hmm. Brexiter thinking there. |
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20 Jul
6:38pm, 20 Jul 2024
22,719 posts
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rf_fozzy
If you think the UK can somehow magically force the Israeli government to end its occupation in Gaza, then I have some magical beans, a Unicorn and a hard Brexit solution that means we can have exactly the same trading relationship as when we were in the EU, with none of the political tradeoffs. And no, I don't think the US could magically force Israel government to stop either. Despite what some think. Hamas knew that it would provoke precisely this situation - it's what they wanted. And the Israeli government isn't going to stop because then they're into the very difficult "what happens next situation" *and* having to answer questions about how the attack last October got past Israeli intelligence on their watch. I don't know what you are expecting the UK government to do to end the situation? |
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20 Jul
6:44pm, 20 Jul 2024
1,143 posts
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Fenners-Reborn
Totally agree with you @rf_fozzy And I just wonder how many of the people criticising the UK Labour government are still supporting companies that fund the Israeli's? |
20 Jul
7:15pm, 20 Jul 2024
17,507 posts
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jda
If you mean me, I've just bought some shares in arms manufacturers. It seemed the patriotic thing to do.
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20 Jul
8:01pm, 20 Jul 2024
173 posts
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Joe1970
I don't expect the UK government to magically stop the Israeli genocide in Gaza. I would, however, very much like them to publish the legal advice given to the previous government about the legality of arms sales, then ban any arms sales to Israel, reinstate funding for UNRWA (which they seem to be doing) and recognise Palestine as a state at the UN (which seems to be said in a roundabout way in their manifesto). |
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20 Jul
8:30pm, 20 Jul 2024
17,508 posts
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jda
Oi! That was my retirement fund! Those bullets don't fire themselves you know.
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20 Jul
8:33pm, 20 Jul 2024
174 posts
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Joe1970
Sorry, jda  Won't somebody think of the poor arms manufacturers?... |
20 Jul
9:51pm, 20 Jul 2024
9,169 posts
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Pothunter
Arms sales to foreign countries is an interesting conundrum. They’re obviously not buying them for show but once we’ve sold them can we really expect them to only use them against a country/territory that we say is ok?
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20 Jul
10:03pm, 20 Jul 2024
175 posts
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Joe1970
Once we've sold them, sure, it's tricky! But I think we can explicitly not allow them to be sold to countries who the International Criminal Court says is committing plausible genocide, and the International Court of Justice says is an apartheid state.
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