18 Jul
8:17pm, 18 Jul 2024
21,966 posts
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Chrisull
Nope we should not, but some people here think we should. Maybe Russia is nice at this time of year?
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18 Jul
8:23pm, 18 Jul 2024
4,303 posts
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Cheg
I think 5 years is a bit steep. Most of them got 4, and I’m sure they’ll only serve 2. What’s an appropriate punishment then? |
18 Jul
8:36pm, 18 Jul 2024
27,094 posts
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Bazoaxe
I haven’t read details yet, but was the issue it that they were disruptive rather than peaceful protests. I live not far from the Chinese embassy. Last weekend I saw a peaceful protest that didn’t get in anyone’s way, but made their point. |
18 Jul
8:40pm, 18 Jul 2024
18,966 posts
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JamieKai *chameleon*
I have limited sympathy for all of Just Stop Oil. They make me want to go and take a flight on the dirtiest aeroplane, burn a shit load of fossil fuels, and kill a few endangered creatures for good measure. Their actions at Stonehenge were beyond stupid (and really a great way to coalesce people against your cause - I used to be generally supportive of them and XR) But lengthy prison sentences, especially in the current climate, isn't particularly helpful. |
18 Jul
8:44pm, 18 Jul 2024
5,513 posts
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J2R
Notwithstanding my comments about JSO, 5 years is ridiculously excessive and wholly inappropriate.
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18 Jul
9:06pm, 18 Jul 2024
32,796 posts
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Johnny Blaze
A Planning and Infrastructure Bill will streamline the process for approving critical infrastructure, and overhaul rules on the compulsory purchase of land A Renters' Rights Bill, will ban so-called no fault evictions and extend a series of building safety rules for social tenants, known as Awaab's Law, to private renters A draft Leasehold and Commonhold Reform Bill will curb ground rent for existing leaseholders, and ban forfeiture - where leaseholders are threatened with losing their home - over small unpaid debts A new state-owned energy investment and generation company, GB Energy, will be created by the Great British Energy Bill A National Wealth Fund Bill will set up a new fund to invest £7.3bn over five years in infrastructure and green industry A Water (Special Measures) Bill will make the bosses of private water companies personally liable for lawbreaking, and give the water regulator new powers to ban bonuses A Passenger Railway Services Bill will allow the government to renationalise nearly all passenger rail services, when existing contracts expire A new body to oversee track and trains, Great British Railways, will be established by a separate Railways Bill A Better Buses Bill will allow a wider range of local leaders to take over responsibility for running bus services A High Speed Rail Bill, previously tabled to build the now-scrapped northern leg of the HS2 rail link, will bring in powers to build new rail infrastructure in northern England A Crime and Policing Bill will give police new powers to tackle antisocial behaviour and make assaulting shopworkers a specific crime The Terrorism (Protection of Premises) Bill, published in draft form by the Tories, will enact Martyn's Law, requiring large venues to put in place procedures to deal with the threat of terrorism A new Victims, Courts and Public Protection Bill will introduce new rules requiring offenders to attend sentencing hearings and to strip parental rights from child sex offenders A Border Security, Asylum and Immigration Bill will allow police to use counter-terror powers to tackle gangs smuggling migrants into the UK An Employment Rights Bill will ban the "exploitative" use of zero-hours contracts and introduce various new workers’ rights promised ahead of the election A Race Equality Bill will extend the right to make equal pay claims under the Equality Act to ethnic minority workers and disabled people, and bring in new pay reporting requirements for bigger firms Labour will introduce a gradual ban on smoking by bringing back the Tobacco and Vapes Bill first announced under Rishi Sunak A Mental Health Bill will tighten rules on sectioning people, and change the rules on care for people with learning difficulties A Children's Wellbeing Bill will force councils in England to maintain registers of children not educated full-time in school, and deliver a manifesto promise for breakfast clubs in all primary schools in England The Skills England Bill will set up a new arms-length body of the same name to boost and regionalise training A draft Conversion Practices Bill will introduce new restrictions on "abusive" practices intended to change people's sexual orientation or gender identity Although a specific bill is not mentioned, the speech said ministers would bring in measures to remove the VAT exemption on private school fees An English Devolution Bill will streamline the process to transfer more powers to elected mayors in combined council areas A new bill will phase out the remaining hereditary peers sitting in the House of Lords A separate bill will prolong measures designed to boost the number of female bishops in the House of Lords that are due to expire next year An as-yet unnamed bill will deliver a pledge for a ‘Hillsborough law’, in the wake of the football stadium disaster, to place a legal duty of candour on public servants Equal rights, workers rights, environmental protections, green energy, devolution, renationalisation. They are nothing but red tories! |
18 Jul
9:11pm, 18 Jul 2024
28,564 posts
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richmac
Are we bothered about the COVID report ? We all know the Tories were shite right theguardian.com |
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18 Jul
9:15pm, 18 Jul 2024
32,797 posts
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Johnny Blaze
Gosh, it seems so long ago. A million people died in the US and they are about to reelect the numpty who mishandled the pandemic response. People memory hole stuff really fast these days.
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18 Jul
9:55pm, 18 Jul 2024
11,505 posts
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Fields
JamieKai *chameleon* wrote: I have limited sympathy for all of Just Stop Oil. They make me want to go and take a flight on the dirtiest aeroplane, burn a shit load of fossil fuels, and kill a few endangered creatures for good measure. Their actions at Stonehenge were beyond stupid (and really a great way to coalesce people against your cause - I used to be generally supportive of them and XR) But lengthy prison sentences, especially in the current climate, isn't particularly helpful. Quite a selfish attitude towards future generations who will suffer from climate change. Stonehenge actions - valid IMO given the massive road building project that’s been talked about for a while |
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18 Jul
9:58pm, 18 Jul 2024
11,506 posts
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Fields
Cheg wrote: I think 5 years is a bit steep. Most of them got 4, and I’m sure they’ll only serve 2. What’s an appropriate punishment then? Appropriate punishment would be assuming they’re guilty of a crime. Some form of community service role, maybe outreach raising awareness of climate change and alternatives to fossil fuels and private cars |
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