18 Jul
10:01pm, 18 Jul 2024
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Fenners-Reborn
Fields wrote: JamieKai How many forests are diminished to allow you to make comments on the Internet? |
18 Jul
10:01pm, 18 Jul 2024
144 posts
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Yakima Canutt
I think it's worth getting into the detail of what happened here. I understand the protesters were jailed for conspiring after some very detailed planning to block to the M25. The last time the M25 was blocked under protest in a similar way its direct consequences included physical injury to police as well as damage, nuisance and of course a lot of expense to Jo public. As the judge said, they crossed the line from campaigners to fanatics. Trump considered inciting criminal damage to be worthy of promoting his personal belief after he lost the election and he's got a court case waiting for him on that. |
18 Jul
10:02pm, 18 Jul 2024
20,759 posts
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Dave W
And they haven’t solved all the problems built up over the last fourteen years in the fortnight or so that they’ve been in power. What a waste of time voting for them. They should have had it all sorted by now. Jeremy would have.
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18 Jul
10:11pm, 18 Jul 2024
32,798 posts
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Johnny Blaze
He saved the Number 4 bus route in Islington as well. Carve his name with pride. |
18 Jul
10:18pm, 18 Jul 2024
11,507 posts
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Fields
Yakima Canutt wrote: I think it's worth getting into the detail of what happened here. I understand the protesters were jailed for conspiring after some very detailed planning to block to the M25. The last time the M25 was blocked under protest in a similar way its direct consequences included physical injury to police as well as damage, nuisance and of course a lot of expense to Jo public. As the judge said, they crossed the line from campaigners to fanatics. Trump considered inciting criminal damage to be worthy of promoting his personal belief after he lost the election and he's got a court case waiting for him on that. How much expense to Joe public can we expect from climate change? The oil and gas bosses you’re shilling for should be the ones in prison |
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18 Jul
10:19pm, 18 Jul 2024
11,508 posts
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Fields
Johnny Blaze wrote: He saved the Number 4 bus route in Islington as well. Carve his name with pride. Nothing to say expect to have a sneering pop at people who rely on public transport. Classy. |
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18 Jul
10:32pm, 18 Jul 2024
11,509 posts
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Fields
Fenners-Reborn wrote: How many forests are diminished to allow you to make comments on the Internet? Compared to your content free post? |
18 Jul
10:33pm, 18 Jul 2024
5,923 posts
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paulcook
People can have all kinds of opinions on a - climate change and b - the impact on the public in respect of the nature of the protests. But it's a society lacking in basic democracy that jails peaceful protestors. We're heading for grim times. Only this week I believe 10 JSO supporters were arrested for having a coffee and preparing a protest. Something similar happened at a soup kitchen the other week. Support for the jail terms, is akin to kissing the polished boot of an over-authoritarian society. |
18 Jul
10:37pm, 18 Jul 2024
17,499 posts
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jda
Fining people would normally be a reasonable starting point for civil disobedience. Of course there will always be those who think we should lock up anyone who breaks the speed limit or drops a bit of litter. Building thousands more prison cells beats building hospitals after all. |
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18 Jul
11:18pm, 18 Jul 2024
32,799 posts
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Johnny Blaze
I don't think that dropping an empty crisp bag is *quite* in the same category as disrupting one of the key transport arteries of the country...
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wrote:I have limited sympathy for all of Just Stop Oil. They make me want to go and take a flight on the dirtiest aeroplane, burn a shit load of fossil fuels, and kill a few endangered creatures for good measure. Their actions at Stonehenge were beyond stupid (and really a great way to coalesce people against your cause - I used to be generally supportive of them and XR) But lengthy prison sentences, especially in the current climate, isn't particularly helpful. Quite a selfish attitude towards future generations who will suffer from climate change. Stonehenge actions - valid IMO given the massive road building project that’s been talked about for a whileUseful Links
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