Jun 2020
8:48pm, 10 Jun 2020
31 posts
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kaysdee
I’m with you all the way on the cynicism 😉. The delivery of the slides in tonight’s briefing - mix of dates, combined nations (bar Scotland) in one figure, but the UK in another comparison... I don’t know if it’s bad (yes!) that I’m past the point of being angry now. |
Jun 2020
6:35am, 11 Jun 2020
14,147 posts
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richmac
Just noticed on the BBC website the WHO chart for deaths per million seems to be trying to deflect from Bozo's poor performance. It has the UK as a whole ranked at 4 with Belgium, Andorra and San Marino allowing worse figures Shouldn't we break the UK down into its constituent parts if those two non counties are being used? bbc.co.uk |
Jun 2020
9:05am, 11 Jun 2020
19,360 posts
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DeeGee
Belgium's high rate is interesting. They've done lockdown sensibly, went in earlyish (18 March) but have a very high population 383p/km^2 compared to the UK's, which is still quite high at 281p/km^2. Compare them with the Netherlands, which is twice as densely populated as the UK and have had a more relaxed approach to the lockdown - requesting rather than ordering, keeping shops open and relying on keeping peak rates low enough that the healthcare services could cope - and has had half as many deaths per million as the UK. Ironically, the same approach as the UK was planning on following until the government got spooked and hit us with a big hammer. Not sure what point I'm trying to make with this, I've just been playing with data, as is my wont. |
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Jun 2020
9:08am, 11 Jun 2020
19,361 posts
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DeeGee
*very high population density* naturally. Smaller population than ours. I'd be interested to see what would happen to our figures if we took London out of them. That's a population the size of Belgium, but with 1,510 inhabitants per square kilometre. |
Jun 2020
9:10am, 11 Jun 2020
5,469 posts
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Raemond
I'm not sure how one would go about comparing them sensibly, but the fact that healthcare and elderly care in NL appear to be much better funded and managed is presumably part of the reason fewer have died. That and, I think, overall lower rates of complicating health factors like obesity and diabetes, though there might be a higher percentage of smokers still here than the UK.
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Jun 2020
9:12am, 11 Jun 2020
3,576 posts
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K5 Gus
Perhaps it's not so much to do with the measures affecting the country's population as a whole ( ie lockdown strictness ) but more to do with decisions regarding the most at risk ( eg the UK decision to move people out of hospital to care homes without testing ). Perhaps Belgium did something similar or equally stupid ( with hindsight ) compared to Netherlands, Germany etc ? Not basing this on anything, just thinking aloud......... |
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Jun 2020
9:18am, 11 Jun 2020
19,362 posts
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DeeGee
Thinking aloud is a good thing. I just need to bear in mind that I'm not an epidemiologist, nor a behaviourist, but merely an education statistician. I find the stats fascinating and like to posit the reasons behind them. |
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Jun 2020
9:38am, 11 Jun 2020
14,148 posts
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richmac
Yeah Belgium is the one that baffles me, but the density explains it. The reason the Netherlands has 'won' despite soft approach is I imagine that unlike here there are less selfish thick as pigshit people. |
Jun 2020
9:46am, 11 Jun 2020
7,592 posts
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jda
Belgium also has a very generous interpretation of who to count in the covid deaths IIRC. Euromomo has an overall assessment of total mortality though only graphs with no numbers.
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Jun 2020
9:51am, 11 Jun 2020
19,363 posts
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DeeGee
We're not so dissimilar, us and the Dutch, socially at least. However, biologically, the Dutch are taller, and they generally do more physical activity so less likely to be obese, which is a significant complicating factor, especially given the similarity in diets. Likewise, the high rate of cycle use would, I'd have thought, result in lower rates of atmospheric pollution (outside of Randstad, perhaps), so therefore a lower prevalence of upper respiratory issues (although similarly high asthma rates.) Or am I resorting to stereotype? |
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