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Dec 2019
8:24pm, 17 Dec 2019
20,195 posts
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TRO Saracen
Wasn’t Blair forced out by years of Brown plotting?
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Dec 2019
8:58pm, 17 Dec 2019
22,999 posts
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Johnny Blaze
Well, you could look at it that way, but he chose to go rather than being defenestrated by his party or the electorate. As for Cameron... Well, his career ended in abject failure and disaster so I'd hardly say he walked out with his head held high. I doubt he could walk the streets unmolested these days for what he has done to the Country.
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Dec 2019
9:23pm, 17 Dec 2019
3,413 posts
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mr d
Blair would probably struggle too JB, he's not as popular as he likes to think he is.
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Dec 2019
10:34pm, 17 Dec 2019
15,622 posts
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Chrisull
No but he still demonstrates how communicating things clearly and concisely can be done. It's just a pity everyone just thinks "Iraq" every time he opens his mouth now.
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Dec 2019
10:55pm, 17 Dec 2019
23,000 posts
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Johnny Blaze
Blair would definitely struggle because of Iraq. Someone did say on Twitter today re Labour's performance in the last 40 years:
Blair: 3 elections, won 3, lost 0
All other Labour leaders: won 0, lost 7
A simple statistic that the posh boy revolutionaries running Labour these days completely refuse to acknowledge.
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Dec 2019
11:16pm, 17 Dec 2019
2,507 posts
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OTannenbaumMike
Ah, but the posh boy revolutionaries have absolutely no real desire to run the country because they have a deep fear of being part of the establishment which dilutes their claim to be against the elite. I think that they believe that its better to be pure and in opposition, than to compromise and lead.
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Dec 2019
11:54pm, 17 Dec 2019
3,414 posts
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mr d
You could add Afganistan, PFI debt, picking and choosing democratic processes to suit his needs, helping create the Blair vs Brown conflict.
The Conservatives were utter shite in all of those elections.
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Dec 2019
7:54am, 18 Dec 2019
1,014 posts
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Brighouse Boy
Mr d - your'e right. Back in 1997, the Conservatives were so out of touch with the electorate, we needed a change of government. Blair was like a breath of fresh air at that time, hence his landslide victory. But even then, the hard left dismissed him as a Tory in disguise!
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Dec 2019
8:09am, 18 Dec 2019
25,019 posts
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Wriggling Snake
Looking backwards that is how elections seem, look at Labour late 70s early 80s, they are as bad now, look at the Tories v Blair, they look useless, partly because they were, partly because they were made to look that way, partly because once the opposition get a good kicking they have to search about fro what works.
Labour backed the wrong horse in Corbyn, false dawn in 2017, all over now, however, as a good leftie he has left the labour party in his image and it is basically fucked.
Imagine how different it might have been if the other Milliband had won.
The country is looking staring at 15 years, at least if Bojo and his successor.
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Dec 2019
8:12am, 18 Dec 2019
20,198 posts
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TRO Saracen
Blair fought Major after Black Wednesday, then Hague and Michael Howard.
It would have been hard not to win those elections.
Same really applies to Tories fighting Corbyn and Ed Milliband....not even fair fights really.
Fair fights would have been:
Major vs Brown
Hague vs Milliband
Howard vs Corbyn.
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