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Dec 2019
12:50pm, 13 Dec 2019
2,447 posts
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J2R
I think the next few weeks will be crucial for what happens with the Labour Party. If the Corbyn wing hold on and try to blame the catastrophe on the Blairites or the media or something, and abnegate all responsibility, then we may well see a large breakaway of moderates to form a new centrist party, probably along with a whole load of Lib Dems. So yes, a kind of SDP MkII. What is there to lose? And now would be the time to do it, while the party is effectively powerless and irrelevant.
I really do not believe the polarisation of the political parties reflects the thinking of the voting public at large. Had there been a decent sized centrist party with a charismatic leader, they would have walked this election.
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Dec 2019
12:53pm, 13 Dec 2019
15,603 posts
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Chrisull
I think there won't be a breakaway, there will be a direct leadership challenge and attempted hostile takeover. The Corbyn wing will blame everybody else, but it doesn't matter, the result on the ensuing leadership battle is what does. I don't think they've got anyone who is likely to be a big threat. One protegee Pidcock lost her seat. Long Bailey? I don't think so.
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Dec 2019
1:01pm, 13 Dec 2019
2,448 posts
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J2R
I hope one of is right, Chris. They need to change, fast.
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Dec 2019
1:01pm, 13 Dec 2019
2,449 posts
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J2R
one of us
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Dec 2019
1:02pm, 13 Dec 2019
22,975 posts
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Johnny Blaze
Your analysis is doubtless right with respect to Johnson getting his majority from areas which are not historically Tory and these could easily flip back to Labour next time. But I think that also needs a credible Labour leader whose platform reaches out to non-partisan voters as well as to traditional Labour. I'm not sure the Corbynistas have the inclination to accept that is what is needed. They will already be building a narrative which says the policies and the man were right but it was somebody else's fault we lost.
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Dec 2019
1:04pm, 13 Dec 2019
22,976 posts
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Johnny Blaze
Also, Corbyn was initially a joke candidate there to "widen the debate". Look how that turned out. I wouldn't rule out their electing another no-hoper.
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Dec 2019
1:22pm, 13 Dec 2019
10,209 posts
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mrs shanksi
I think Jess Phillips might go for the leadership.
Stander you had me fooled!
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Dec 2019
1:28pm, 13 Dec 2019
22,977 posts
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Johnny Blaze
I think a woman leader is long overdue and would be a powerful counter to the philandering detail-free buffoon. But I think any new leader will have to appeal to the likes of McCluskey and the Momentum crew and neither of those strikes me as willing to learn lessons and change course.
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Dec 2019
1:33pm, 13 Dec 2019
756 posts
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Ally-C
Labour need to recover in Scotland to have a chance of winning a Westminstef election. I'm not sure that'll happen in a generation a least.
Better together lost them a lot of support, dancing in celebration with the Tories was beyond the pale for folk who should be their natural voters. Subsequent maulings in elections since have lost them a lot of councillors & the foot soldiers who do a lot of hard work in their campaigns.
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Dec 2019
1:38pm, 13 Dec 2019
28,597 posts
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Let it snow Daisy
I heard someone from the left on R5, saying it was Brexit, the BBC and Blairites wot lost it for Labour. If they keep in that state of delusion they are *never* going to get back into power. As for McDonnell telling Andrew Neil last night that 'We are the centre left' - words fail me.
Labour is in its death throes and only a wholesale change can revive it.
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