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Dec 2019
12:13pm, 13 Dec 2019
22,974 posts
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Johnny Blaze
It took Labour 14 years to get back into power after the 1983 debacle. I actually think they are in a worse state now than they were then. I'm not sure we will see an SDP arise like back then, but I can't see Labour swinging back to the centre ground either. If they don't they are out of power until they do.
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Dec 2019
12:18pm, 13 Dec 2019
24,969 posts
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Wriggling Snake
Indeed, I think they are in a really terrible state.
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Dec 2019
12:19pm, 13 Dec 2019
8,308 posts
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simbil
Yep, Blairism is so vilified in labour now that anything like it will take a long time to form.
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Dec 2019
12:26pm, 13 Dec 2019
9,764 posts
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larkim
My politics tutor at A Level was convinced in 1988 that she'd never see another Labour govt. I really thought that she'd got that wrong once 1997 happened.
But in reality, by the time of the next GE in 2024 we'll have had 45 years pass with only 13 years of a Labour govt.
Since 1945 (to 2024) there've been 30 years of Labour govts (approx) and 49 years of Tory govts (incl coalition). Since 1970 that split is 36 Tory, 18 Labour.
Labour, sadly, is always an exception to the rule of the Tories.
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Dec 2019
12:28pm, 13 Dec 2019
15,602 posts
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Chrisull
Another +1 for J2R
Jb - BUT, BUT - Thatcher was popular among her base, in a way that Johnson is not and never can be. The Tory gains are in places culturally alien to them (bit like Labour and the Midlands, but crucially unlike SNP and Scotland). They can vote for the Tories, but they will never truly be Tories and the Tories will treat them likewise.
It is a very volatile position, and 5 years of Brexit downturn, and Johnson buffoonery and a majority smaller than the one facing Kinnock in 1992 (which he should and could have won), it's possible. Not probable. But not a 100/1 shot either. Labour will now be the site for a war to wrest back control. It won't be a case of swing, it will have to be done by force and co-ercion. But there's 5 years to rebuild. The internet /social media will accelerate the pace of change. After all we've gone in 2 years from hung Parliament to hard Brexit.... who knows what wackiness awaits next?
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Dec 2019
12:30pm, 13 Dec 2019
15,663 posts
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Bazoaxe
After asking for unionists to lend their vote to the SNP in order to stop Brexit, I see that the votes for the SNP are already being used as a case for an Independence referendum.
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Dec 2019
12:40pm, 13 Dec 2019
77 posts
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Stander
I did take a break for a few weeks. It was entertaining when I came back in here just how many times a new poster (usually a troll) got erroneously called out as being me.
But yes, DV was me.
The result for the alias? Because for expressing what now appears to be the majority view, I got called a cunt. Amongst other things. So much for the inclusivity of Fetchland, eh?
Yes, I'd love to be a dick and rub everyone's faces in the dirt over this result, but I won't. I'm better than that - even if some people in here are quite clearly not.
I'm no fool - I realise that it is now that the actual hard work commences to actually achieve the Brexit I voted for, but I'm more confident in the Tories being able to deliver this than Corbyn and his mob.
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Dec 2019
12:44pm, 13 Dec 2019
9,765 posts
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larkim
Loving the deception Stander  A bit of fun!
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Dec 2019
12:46pm, 13 Dec 2019
78 posts
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Stander
And no, I won't be taking questions.
I've got a serious database issue here at work that I'm trying to resolve and I'm only able to post here in between running various (hopefully successful) fixes.
It's also our works Christmas party today and - like Brexit - I need to get this done before I can go and eat, drink and be merry.
And I intend to get very merry tonight. Very merry.
Merry Christmas everyone. To everyone on all sides of the debate.
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Dec 2019
12:49pm, 13 Dec 2019
43,410 posts
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Diogenes
Thanks for coming on and saying that, Stander. I’m taking a leaf out of your book and staying out of this thread after this. I can’t change what has happened, especially as I’ll never understand it, however hard I try. It makes me uptight thinking about it so I’m going to disengage.
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