Coronavirus **support** thread
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Mar 2020
1:09pm, 31 Mar 2020
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Canute
For practical reasons, including the reservation of supplies for front line workers, I do not think that the general public should use masks. Public use of use of mask is considered ineffective in the UK, though in other countries this is not the case. It might depend at least partially in compliance with good practice. Here is a report on an interesting study from Sydney (Australia) during the 2006-2007 flu seasons ncbi.nlm.nih.gov They found: ‘<50% of those in the mask use groups reported wearing masks most of the time. Adherence to mask use was associated with a significantly reduced risk of ILI-associated [flu-like illness] infection. We concluded that household use of masks is associated with low adherence and is ineffective in controlling seasonal ILI. If adherence were greater, mask use might reduce transmission during a severe influenza pandemic. Note that the reduction of infection in those who adhered better to mask use refers to use in the household, not outside of the house. |
Mar 2020
1:13pm, 31 Mar 2020
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fraggle
I’ve made a fabric mask to send to my Mum ( who’s over 70) whilst I know it doesn’t offer any protection from the virus, it (a) stops you touching your face while you’re out and about, and (b) might be a visual reminder to others to keep their distance 
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Mar 2020
1:15pm, 31 Mar 2020
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mathschick
thanks for the blog on face masks Flatlander - pretty much confirms what I had been thinking. I can't see people here being told to wear masks when out and about. I do worry that we might get stricter lockdown conditions though and not be allowed out for exercise. Suspicious about the death reporting, we knew it was wrong but it hard to know just how far it is out. Just creates more uncertainly and less trust in our 'leaders'. Doesn't help when the 'leader' is ill and seemingly absent. Remind anyone of The Death of Stalin? Might have to watch that film again for some light relief |
Mar 2020
1:26pm, 31 Mar 2020
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DocM
its going to be difficult to have exact figures for deaths. Many deaths (particularly the elderly) have multiple factors contributing to the cause of death. So do you include all those where covid was present, even if it was a minor contributary factor? There are also those deaths where Covid may have been the cause but it is not proven by swabs (the person was in the community or died before they were swabbed) . I think we will see figures adjusted and re adjusted and differing across countries and regions with in countries. And of course death certificates are filled out by humans with their own unintentional bias
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Mar 2020
1:38pm, 31 Mar 2020
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ChrisHB
I would think that wearing gloves or a mask would stop me from touching my face so to that extent they would help.
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Mar 2020
1:52pm, 31 Mar 2020
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Carpathius
Aren't they releasing numbers of Covid deaths from community and nursing homes today? Can't remember where I read that though, sorry. |
Mar 2020
1:53pm, 31 Mar 2020
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EvilPixie
i've heard about 200 odd this will be updated weekly |
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Mar 2020
1:58pm, 31 Mar 2020
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EvilPixie
UK's true death toll still unclear Michelle Roberts Health editor, BBC News online The UK's Office for National Statistics (ONS) has released new figures on coronavirus deaths in England and Wales, which include how many were registered up to 20 March – the day that pubs and clubs were ordered to shut down to help tackle the outbreak. What’s different about the data is it looks at community deaths – people who died at home or in residential care whom doctors recorded on the death certificate as probably having Covid-19. There were 103 of these – 1% of all deaths. The ONS also trawled a few days ahead of 20 March to capture any deaths stuck in a recording backlog. That brings the total to 210 deaths involving coronavirus. That’s 40 more than the 170 deaths announced by the government at the time – those were all hospital deaths of patients who had tested positive for coronavirus and so definitely had the infection. In comparison, there are not enough tests to check how many people in the community are infected or how many deaths are linked to Covid-19. So these community death figures are interesting but they don’t give us a clearer idea of the true toll. |
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Mar 2020
2:00pm, 31 Mar 2020
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EvilPixie
then gives a bar chart bbc.co.uk |
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Mar 2020
2:06pm, 31 Mar 2020
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EvilPixie
And this one is going to go on and on Lawyer says exercise not restricted to once daily in England People in England are allowed to go for as many walks a day as they want, according to a human rights barrister who says the law does not match the government advice. Adam Wagner of Doughty Street Chambers told BBC News that the law referred to having a "reasonable excuse" to leave your house - rather than the four reasons Boris Johnson gave in last week's briefing. "The four reasons is the guidance people are following. In fact that’s the guidance a lot of police are following," he said. "But the government guidance doesn’t include a number of very important points - for example if you’re at fear of harm that’s a reasonable excuse [to leave your house]. "I’m not sure the police or government have been very clear with what people can do or what will land them with a fine of up to £960 for repeated offences or even a criminal conviction. "There are no legal restrictions on going out for more than one walk [or piece of exercise] a day in England." |
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