Scottish Runners 2016
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Oct 2016
2:38pm, 5 Oct 2016
12,261 posts
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Dvorak
With time on my hands, I've mapped the 2016 route (based on HappyG's Garmin trace). Mainly used "follow roads" so it's not taking a racing line on some corners. Came out at 21.15km. I've also looked at the 2015 route trace (I did not run with a gps so I think this was originally HappyG's). I was amazed to find the route was in through the middle gate and through the Burrell parking - no recollection of that at all. Bit wiggly, shows as 21.29 km. One other small difference: the 2015 had a extra little 'v' in Bella Park (just at 14km) which would have been 40-50m more. Based on that, I'd be happy to say that the 2016 distance is correct: if anything, 2015 may have been a little long. 2016: http://www.fetcheveryone.com/routes-view.php?id=1767670 2015: http://www.fetcheveryone.com/routes-view.php?id=1746735 (Let'sRun does seem to attract some arseholes - still, keeps them off Fetch, I suppose :-).) |
Oct 2016
2:48pm, 5 Oct 2016
361 posts
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Ulric
Yes I posted on LR about this and have ignored them since then - official FB statement from GSR was that it was fully certified but that one of the maps had been wrong. But it can be annoying in our increasingly digital age, even if GPS isn't as accurate we all want nice Fetch benchmarks and |
Oct 2016
3:48pm, 5 Oct 2016
483 posts
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andydgg
think it's 5% accurate either way for gps, moaning about hundredths of a mile is pretty sad. I know I was over for about 8 miles then cut a few corners, there was at least one corner everyone was cutting by some portaloos that must have took a few hundredths of a mile off. My garmin is never on the mile posts, I just ignore them anyway. And anyway a gps is supposed to help your run with pace and distance, not measure accurately to within hundredths of a mile.
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Oct 2016
4:08pm, 5 Oct 2016
203 posts
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donran
I think quite a few folk noticed that the GPS was slightly short (it's never accurate anyway), and that the double river crossing on the route map hadn't happened and put 2 + 2 together. The organisers were fairly quick in responding to say that the route map was wrong. This wasn't an incorrectly placed cone or anything so I think people have (correctly) accepted that the route used was the correct distance. |
Oct 2016
7:14pm, 5 Oct 2016
5,888 posts
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The_Saint
I saw this on Twitter a day ago from someone who had gone through the Garmin data @markhookway @AthleticsWeekly @Statman_Jon garmin activities explore: 13.2+=13 13.15-13.2=14 13.1-13.15=52 13.0-13.1=194 12.9-13.0=29 |
Oct 2016
10:22pm, 5 Oct 2016
65 posts
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Ticketyboo
If you overlay the 2015 and 2016 gps maps there were 3 obvious course changes this year (easy to do using http://www.mygpsfiles.com/app/). I then used mapometer.com to calculate the apparent impact of the changes rather than GPS. 1) +560m - Different entrance to Pollok Park 2) -40m - Shorter path (old one was V shaped) taken in Bellahouston Park 3) -720m - Loop round Festival Park. Not saying it was short, just appears to be about 200m shorter than 2015 (for info my garmin got 13.16 2015, 12.92 2016). Last time it recorded that short was a wee race in Manchester 2015!!! |
Oct 2016
11:54pm, 5 Oct 2016
143 posts
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damo2000
I love a good conspiracy theory :-). The presented evidence does then me to think it was shorter than 2016, and perhaps a simdgin shorter than official distance. But, the 2016 course could have been long, according to AIMs for an' official' route it must be no shorter than official race distance. So an official half could be an exact 13.1094 or even 13.2 or 13.3, as long as its not short. aimsworldrunning.org |
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Oct 2016
11:02am, 6 Oct 2016
5,890 posts
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The_Saint
Hmm, I am not convinced either way but I suggest a remeasurement of the course as run last Sunday couldn't hurt.
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Oct 2016
11:15am, 6 Oct 2016
27,821 posts
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Old Croc
A half marathon course should be 21.0975km within a tolerance of up to 21m - but not shorter.
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Oct 2016
12:02pm, 6 Oct 2016
3,921 posts
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WildeRover
After all, it wouldn't be the first time that a course officially measured and fully certified turned out to be short. (And in some cases officially measured and fully certified have ended up a lot shorter than anyone is suggesting this was). Most of the evidence is suggesting that if it was short, it would be somewhere in the region of 200m, but for anyone running 8 m/m that is 1 min. (8 used as an example purely because the maths is easy) |
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