The War in Ukraine
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Oct 2022
6:07pm, 30 Oct 2022
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Northern Exile
It's месть (revenge). They've never quite forgiven us for kicking their number 1 FSB illegal out of the top job in the Labour Party.
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Oct 2022
7:08pm, 30 Oct 2022
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richmac
MSM coverage of the attack that stopped the grain deal theguardian.com |
Oct 2022
9:42am, 31 Oct 2022
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Muttley
Obstructing the flow of grain is a risky move for the Kremlin. Much of the wheat etc goes to poor countries in Africa and Asia -- many of which abstain in UN votes on Russia's invasion. If hunger in these countries is blamed on Moscow, despite all the propaganda lies to the opposite, it could result in some friendships and influence being lost. Also, many of these countries buy cheap Russian weapons and if they take a closer look at how crap it's performing against Nato weaponry, that might also cause them to rethink and climb off the fence.
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Oct 2022
10:48am, 31 Oct 2022
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richmac
You mean Vietnam might get rid of their T34-85's?
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Nov 2022
2:38pm, 2 Nov 2022
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Muttley
Interesting how Putin backed out of the grain deal and then sidled back in when he realised that it looked like going ahead anyway. I wonder if the next logical step was to have Turkish ships -- a Nato member, if semi-detached at times - escorting the merchant shipping. Erdogan's playing a double game and I'm not sure whose side he's on, apart from purely his own, obviously. But he does increasingly appear to be the likely candidate as middleman when the two sides eventually decide it's time to talk. |
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Nov 2022
2:45pm, 2 Nov 2022
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Northern Exile
I'd say you're right. I hesitate to use the term "honest broker" with regard to Erdogan, but he's the only real candidate. I have no doubt that he will do his best to broker a peace deal (or least a прекращение огня) and then portray himself and Turkey as heroes. Turkey still depends on the U.S. to a large extent and he could do with the kudos. * прекращение огня = ceasefire in case anyone wondered (not you Mutts) |
Nov 2022
3:11pm, 2 Nov 2022
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♪♫ Synge ♪♫
Did anyone see the Sky discussion programme broadcast from the Imperial War Museum last night? One of the comments that I found most interesting was Michael Clarke's suggestion that the overall war could well last for several decades (and quite likely beyond the rule/life of Putin). He suggested that there may be ceasefires and periods of inactivity, but that there may also be flare-ups and further wars (in that 2014 was the first war and this is the second war). I have been thinking of this as a one or two-year thing and it may well not be.
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Nov 2022
3:23pm, 2 Nov 2022
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Northern Exile
No, didn't spot that but it's a credible concept.
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Nov 2022
5:28pm, 2 Nov 2022
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richmac
Great, a forever war in Ukraine 
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Nov 2022
7:23pm, 2 Nov 2022
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Flatlander
When this so called not-a-war started in February, apart from being reminiscent of Hitler's campaigns, it also reminded me of the Soviet Union - Afghan war, also a proxy war. That lasted 10 years, 1979 - 1989, and I thought that the Russian - Ukraine war could easily last a couple of years before Russia finally realises it won't gain control of Ukraine. I am sure there are others on here who have greater experience and insight than me and may have different thoughts. |
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