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Oct 2017
2:03pm, 12 Oct 2017
4,851 posts
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postieboy
Train faster, race faster works, make it a gradual progression as a word of cautioned. Nothing happens in this game overnight.
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Oct 2017
2:08pm, 12 Oct 2017
11,040 posts
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paul a
If there is a difference between PMP and MP then there is a disconnect (perhaps from an unreliable conversion from a shorter distance). MP is all that matters.
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Oct 2017
2:09pm, 12 Oct 2017
3,135 posts
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Curly45
*waves at Dr. Dan* Great write up. I was going to mention your high levels of cycling mileage as well.
Interesting about carb levels after parkrun through to Sunday.
I have treat of a piece of cake (homemade obviously) after Saturday races... maybe something I should think about and move my cake treat to after Sun long run.
You can keep carb loading for A races though 
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Oct 2017
2:14pm, 12 Oct 2017
25,077 posts
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SPR
Yeah it's never as simple as train faster as anyone can train faster.
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Oct 2017
2:19pm, 12 Oct 2017
13,759 posts
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Fenland (Fenners) Runner
FIRST may be lower mileage but it ain't low in my view. And not every can train faster as illustrated by the volume of injuries .
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Oct 2017
2:34pm, 12 Oct 2017
1,152 posts
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DrDan
Hi Curly My levels of cycling are far from high ... I'm just a bike commuter. Regular mileage but rarely more than 10 miles in a day. Any half serious cyclist will trump my weekly mileage every Sunday morning.
Felnand - yes, it's not low, especially when total training volume (inc x-training) and intensity and thrown into the mix.
WW - the "science stuff" just boils down to how you train and what you eat. That's just as important to 3-3:45 runners as it is to elites.
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Oct 2017
2:37pm, 12 Oct 2017
768 posts
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Daz Love
Looking at that FIRST plan, its probably not too far away from what I done in my 1st marathon. I run avg 7:15 pace on the day but just checked my training log and my long runs of the campaign (15+ miles) were as follows:-
15 @ 7:39
17 @ 7:28
15 @ 7:34
18 @ 7:37
18 @ 7:28
15 @ 7:27
20 @ 7:28
15 @ 7:14
18 @ 7:22 (final run 2 and half weeks out)
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Oct 2017
5:56pm, 12 Oct 2017
5,248 posts
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Joe Hawk
Fenland/ Dr Dan - Anything under 50mpw is low mileage for a marathon
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Oct 2017
6:25pm, 12 Oct 2017
13,760 posts
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Fenland (Fenners) Runner
LOL Joe, some people hit and exceed their targets on less than forty!
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Oct 2017
6:31pm, 12 Oct 2017
5,249 posts
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Joe Hawk
Their targets/expectations maybe but probably not their capabilities.
Paul a - I always take MP as current marathon pace (achieved recently) and PMP as target marathon pace. So at the beginning of say a 12 week programme there is quite a difference
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