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Oct 2017
1:21pm, 13 Oct 2017
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larkim
Interesting that you say P&D is upper extreme Baz - particularly in the light of the comments you made about some of the JD plan looking tough! I imagine it does depend to a degree on which level of P&D you pitch yourself. With a decent runup, most people should be able to manage the volumes of the up to 55 mile plan (if they are committed to trying to run a decent marathon, rather than just a completer), but I suppose I might view things differently if I was in the 85+ mile a week camp.
It seems to me its fairly middle of the road in terms of its broad approach though - slow runs are not too slow, most volume is not too fast, there is some fast stuff in there but it's not overly dominant etc. But any plan with mileage in the 70-80 mile + range would be "hard" for most people, though I suppose a high mileage HADD-style would be easier than a high mileage P&D.
On getting back going, I had one easy run out on Wednesday (as per the P&D plan!), and will do the same tonight. I've discovered I've got a number for the first XC race of the season tomorrow though - my challenge is to resist even jogging that one in as I am tempted to run all 5 of the races in the season. Though I promise not to race it!
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Oct 2017
1:23pm, 13 Oct 2017
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Bazoaxe
DrDan, I have been cycle commuting as well this week, including Monday, albeit I only have 2 miles each way as the crow flies and it was an easy pedal apart from a road closure and diversion that directed my up an unexpected hill !
FR, if you made it 5 sub 2s that would be worthwhile though 
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Oct 2017
1:28pm, 13 Oct 2017
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Bazoaxe
Larks, when I first committed to a plan I bought a series of books and P&D frightened me so I followed Hal Higdon. I PBd but then wanted more and looked at P&D again.
As you go up the mileage plans though, they are broadly the same, just extra miles on the same sessions and ultimately at the top end cuts out rest days.
I put it at the upper end as it is a bit more technical than many others
re the JD plan, I still see a different plan to those that jda and WW talk about. Ive put it in my fetch plan now and plan to play about with it over the next week. However, twice weekly quality sessions which are both long in distance and high in quality with tempo in between MP or some 400m reps to follow the 1k reps just sound batshit crazy to me. Albeit only for some, not all of the quality runs. Guess I need to give it a try though.
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Oct 2017
1:44pm, 13 Oct 2017
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larkim
Yes, I suppose HH is simple in its format and P&D throws in those MLRs - which aren't really that hard in the 55 mile plan, maybe harder in the higher mileage versions.
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Oct 2017
1:51pm, 13 Oct 2017
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SPR
Hadd is base training, his marathon training would be different. Unfortunately, I don't think it was ever published.
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Oct 2017
1:53pm, 13 Oct 2017
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HappyG(rrr)
Ooh, well done you for looking at training plans again already Bazo. I've been filling in some fun races, but no training! You can see where my focus is!
First easy recovery today - lunch time 4 miler with work buddies. Bit of tightness in calves and hips, but really not bad. Please about that. I have done one gentle gym session of foam roller, stretch and core too, so reasonably mobile now. Won't run much this weekend (fits in nicely cos I'm off to Isle of Lewis to visit family) but it's first XC of the league on Sat following. I will play that by ear! G
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Oct 2017
4:43pm, 13 Oct 2017
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jdarun
So I'll try posting the JD schedule that I've been using....
Hope that is readable. It's from the previous edition of the book.
What I particularly like about it is the flexibility, just two quality sessions a week and the rest is steady mileage (and cross-training) and it works for a wide range of mileage targets. It's also easy enough to fit around occasional races.
Some of the Q1 workouts are quite tough but the total volume of hard running is not excessive IME (note that it's basically all threshold rather than true interval paces), maybe being a little softer than some plans discussed here means it works well at 18 weeks.
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Oct 2017
5:27pm, 13 Oct 2017
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Fenland (Fenners) Runner
Feck that looks complicated!
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Oct 2017
5:37pm, 13 Oct 2017
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SPR
I like to the way JD prescribes the sessions but leaves the rest to you.
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Oct 2017
5:39pm, 13 Oct 2017
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Fenland (Fenners) Runner
That's not uncommon, SPR.
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