The Sub 3:15 Marathon Thread
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Oct 2017
12:49pm, 11 Oct 2017
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larkim
I've lined up The Way of the Runner on my phone to read next. stumbled upon my library online lending service, and was delighted when both his books appeared. Just a shame I need to read them on the phone screen. Were you the second mzungu in the narrative then Paul? |
Oct 2017
12:51pm, 11 Oct 2017
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LouLou
I'll maybe write a wee blog on things to summarise - I've blogged since January but most buddies only but happy to add people. I would stress you don't need to do full first aid causes but short (some are less than hour) to know the basics will do. Athletes heart isn't well understood but lots of research being led by Sanjay Sharma who is a sports cardiologist and medical director for London marathon. The specific concern in young athletes (I'm still young  ) is cardiac arrest rather than heart attack - this is usually a result of an electrical problem rather than a plumbing problem - though some individuals will have CA as a result of a heart attack. Right - back to work. Will try and blog soon - 10 days till our wedding so life crazy just now. And once your all trained I can con someone into jogging VLM with me in April - Stoosh had enough medical dramas with me!! |
Oct 2017
1:01pm, 11 Oct 2017
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Windsor Wool
I think the great thing about the courses you mention Lou is that I would have no issue at all in taking the lead in the use of a defib. They are really very, very simple to use. The Way of the Runner is that the Japanese one? Dreadfully boring I found whereas the African one I considered a great read. Anyway, where's Gus? How are the quads? |
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Oct 2017
1:04pm, 11 Oct 2017
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larkim
Just done some lunchtime stalking with I used the "flyby" tool to show who was with the group at the bridge at Holt / Farndon and then just clicked through to see their outcomes. Given we were bang on 3:15 pace with 10 miles to go, the outcomes seemed to range from 3:09 down to less positive outcomes in the low 3:20s and then some. The slower outcomes aren't surprising, and reinforces to me why I picked the strategy I did. The faster ones though are intriguing and give me an insight into what's possible in the future with a cautious first half. Right, enough of the retrospect. Time to get the wallet out and find a half I can run before my year of PBs is out... |
Oct 2017
1:14pm, 11 Oct 2017
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Chrisull
LouLou - if you could add me please, the whole area I find fascinating, but I quit biology before GCSE (perhaps that's why I find it interesting, school didn't have chance to kill the interest). The last article I linked to was coincidentally a study by Sanjay Sharma. I think the footballer Fabrice Muamba brought the whole issue really into the spotlight, after he "died" on the pitch for 78 minutes after suffering a cardiac arrest, and he, I believe had no prior symptoms/indicators of disease, and not much explanation since as to what caused the cardiac arrest. As a coach I really need to know more, especially two of the club have relatively recently suffered heart attacks (but good news, one less than a year on just smashed his 10k pb by a minute, and the other just narrowly failed to complete his debut offroad 55 mile ultra, but down to legs). larkim - in answer to your earlier " we are taking a higher combined risk if we run it, so we are adding extra risk to the pot. " This answer to a question on endurance events being bad for one's heart was submitted to the New York Times in 2015 nails some important points: well.blogs.nytimes.com "At this point, scientists just do not know precisely how years of endurance training might affect the heart. So the best advice for those who enjoy endurance training is “carry on as usual,” Dr. Andersen said. " |
Oct 2017
1:16pm, 11 Oct 2017
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paul the builder
larkim - I don't remember. Maybe. Or maybe 3rd/4th, taking a quick look again at the results (and making some name-based assumptions). Not that many folk run the marathon distance at Lewa, the HM is far more popular. Like 10 times more. Big corporate (local businesses) take-up of places in that. It made for a lonely second lap! |
Oct 2017
1:18pm, 11 Oct 2017
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K5 Gus
Quads are a bit better today, WW thanks, but still the remnants of DOMS there. Did my 7 with 2 * MP this morning, and am still generally feeling tired, despite about 9 hours sleep last night ! HR was a bit higher than I would have liked, but no doubt linked to the tiredness. A very easy 4 or 5 tomorrow, then possibly nothing on Friday and definitely nothing on Saturday. Current forecast is 12C, light rain, 9 mph south wind. Course is pretty much due west for 13, then due east for 13, so no head or tail wind, just a cross wind, with the 2nd half being pretty sheltered with trees for most of the way. Not too bad at all for mid-October in Scotland ! If I can get rid of the tiredness and sore legs, and feel nice and bouncy on the day, then hoping for a HappyG sort of time. If I'm still feeling tired and sore then might just go for a steady 3:20-3:25 and save myself for my 33 mile ultra 3 weeks later |
Oct 2017
1:19pm, 11 Oct 2017
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postieboy
Way Of The Runner is more interesting in how a British family tries to assimilate itself into Japanese society than the running part of it.
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Oct 2017
1:25pm, 11 Oct 2017
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larkim
Agree Chris - considered for one individual, who does not know about any underlying condition, you are either a) taking an additional risk because you have an underlying condition you don't know about or b) not taking an additional risk because there are no underlying conditions, even if you don't know one way or another. And so probably for the majority of runners there is likely to be no risk. But accumulated across many runners, there is a predictable level of risk, presumably because there is a predictable level of undiagnosed preexisting conditions in the population, and in the absence of perfect information it makes sense (without panicking!) to assume that the evenly spread risk may apply to you too. It's just that we can't do anything about it, and we enjoy running, so we trade off the many benefits (which may actually include longer lifespans on average through the fitness benefits etc) against the risk. I'm happy with that trade off, but Trevor's death certainly added some context to the hugs I gave my boys the night I heard about it. Plus I have a dad who had a quadruple heart bypass - so maybe I wouldn't clear the GPs threshold for there being nothing to worry about as easily as others, even though his condition may well be utterly connected to the cardiac arrest or heart attacks that Lou is describing. |
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Oct 2017
1:25pm, 11 Oct 2017
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Windsor Wool
that all sounds pretty positive Gus, it's amazing what a dose of race day adrenalin can flush out of the system too so I'll expect you go nicely under 3:15. I'm guessing that you'd see this as a pretty acceptable result given the injury issues you had earlier in the year.
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