The Sub 3:15 Marathon Thread
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Oct 2017
10:11am, 11 Oct 2017
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Chrisull
Excellent idea from Lou, just reminded me I have done the first aid course last year, and can do CPR and how to use the defib and have first aid certificate to put up! larks - you're batting with statistics, you are more likely to be knocked over and killed by a car while walking on the same stretch of road a town marathon is being run on, than suffering a fatal heart attack while running one. (Had a link for this once) Of course it doesn't preclude it, but the very old Tim Noakes survey (1987) concluded that marathon runners suffering heart attacks while running, 75% had coronary heart disease, of which 71% already had symptoms. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (See stats again G :-), stats are my friend ) Of course there are several kinds of heart attacks broadly speaking that afflict runners, artery blockage (coronary heart disease) and cardiomyopathy (thickening of the heart wall) and ventricular fibrillation. For those without coronary heart disease, and previous good fitness, I am aware of the research gone into heart scarring, which affects some of the fittest veteran endurance athletes: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov The conclusion "half of these marathon-lifers showed some heart muscle scarring" - but I have seen suggested elsewhere that there may be a genetic propensity to this (in the same way I'm guessing, some people bruise with a light scrape, and some barely go mauve when they smash their head into a rock). No link for the unsubstantiated speculation sorry. Then there is the last category, where the heart seems to go occasionally haywire, with no previous record, no sign of any illness, and no clues to cause either. The only thing you can say is don't ignore out of the ordinary symptoms. I get PVCs mayoclinic.org and occasionally while running. If so I stop and walk, and consider quitting the run altogether if they continue. And yes we almost certainly ALL on this thread have athlete's heart. I took part in a heart survey last year of men over 40, and I scored excellent in every category except one. That was resting heart rate. My resting heart rate was below 60 (as it is for most conditioned runners), this was a mark off by fitness! While it isn't directly indicative of athlete's heart, it is I believe an indicator. Scientists are still debating whether athlete's heart is healthy, unhealthy or whether the good attributes outweigh the bad (or vice versa) such as here: academic.oup.com I think keeping informed, be aware there is risk, but there is risk in all things (such as getting in a car), and managing the risk sensibly. |
Oct 2017
10:15am, 11 Oct 2017
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SPR
Baz - Re bad day, fair enough, they happen.
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Oct 2017
10:15am, 11 Oct 2017
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Chrisull
larks - yes have read running with kenyans, excellent book, and have raced against Ad Finn (the author), and beat him in the Imerys Half, after he tried to win the race and blew up round mile 10. I chatted to him, without knowing it was him, when I overtook him :-). Nice guy, seemed a bit sheepish at the time (only when I read his Guardian blog later did I realise why, he was not a happy bunny with his pacing, but his fault for doing no race recce - first 7 miles all up hill!)
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Oct 2017
10:29am, 11 Oct 2017
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larkim
Chris - completely agree about the risk balance compared to everyday life etc. But it's undoubted that whether we chose to walk along the marathon route or race along it as a runner, we are taking a higher combined risk if we run it, so we are adding extra risk to the pot. Though I do agree completely about the pre-existing conditions thing - that often comes out after the tragic event has happened. I'm sure the runner at Chester fully expected to hug his three kids at the line on Sunday. Every time I consider that scenario it chills me as, with the roll of a many-sided-dice, that could be me. |
Oct 2017
10:50am, 11 Oct 2017
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HappyG(rrr)
There is something about reassuring one's family too. So all above stats and evidence are really helpful, thanks. A few years ago after one of the young footballers died on the field, and a few marathon runner death stories, I went to GP to ask about risk of running and if there are any checks I could have (on NHS or pay for). I had no symptoms or reason for concern myself. GP asked if parents or grand parents had died early (under 70) of heart related issues. None of these 6 had. She said then my risk was very low and no further investigation was worth doing. I found that reassuring and so did my wife.  G
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Oct 2017
11:23am, 11 Oct 2017
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paul the builder
lark - I enjoyed that book, and have run in Lewa too. With (some way behind) Adharand too: |
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Oct 2017
11:24am, 11 Oct 2017
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paul the builder
I knew I'd spell his name wrong. Adharanand.
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Oct 2017
11:28am, 11 Oct 2017
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larkim
You ran the same year he documented in the book? Nice!! (Though it sounded brutal!)
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Oct 2017
12:21pm, 11 Oct 2017
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Bazoaxe
Every time I race my dad asks me to run within myself and not bother about pushing for a time and quite often I get a hug when he sees me after I have finished when he knows I have pushed for a time. but without incident. Great pic Paul....One looks fresh as a daisy and one looked to have run hard !!! Larks - you need to read his Japanese running book now as that's equally good IMO |
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Oct 2017
12:42pm, 11 Oct 2017
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paul the builder
To be fair, he has had about 25 minutes rest in that photo, whereas I've just crossed the line....
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