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30 Sep
12:08pm, 30 Sep 2024
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Big_G
I know some don’t rate him on here, but Chris Horner was basically saying that Evenepoel and Belgium blew it. According to Horner, Evenepoel shouldn’t have been attacking so early on, and wasting riders with having people on the front driving it to try and bridge the gap so early.
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30 Sep
12:16pm, 30 Sep 2024
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Meglet
Is this a problem with Worlds (and Olympics) having national teams compared to trade teams? They’re not organised and used to each other in the same way and often the impetus is not there to help your teammates. And teams are smaller as well. Theoretically the peloton should have been able to pull back a solo breakaway but they need to be organised to do it. |
30 Sep
12:38pm, 30 Sep 2024
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MudMeanderer
The lack of race radios may also have made quite a difference if there are sustained sections where the chasers can't see the lead. Group two syndrome and not being able to judge the catch precisely makes it an atypical pursuit.
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30 Sep
12:38pm, 30 Sep 2024
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SPR
Big_G wrote: I know some don’t rate him on here, but Chris Horner was basically saying that Evenepoel and Belgium blew it. According to Horner, Evenepoel shouldn’t have been attacking so early on, and wasting riders with having people on the front driving it to try and bridge the gap so early. Remember the reason some don't rate Horner isn't for his ability to read a race. He clearly knows more than me and I called the Evenepoel attacks stupid the moment they happened. Meglet wrote: Is this a problem with Worlds (and Olympics) having national teams compared to trade teams? They’re not organised and used to each other in the same way and often the impetus is not there to help your teammates. And teams are smaller as well. Theoretically the peloton should have been able to pull back a solo breakaway but they need to be organised to do it. There's no race radios in the WC and I imagine that played a part in how long it took Belgium to get organised but also the other teams need to want to win. I'm not convinced many were riding for the win therefore firing off attacks seemed a better strategy for them to get a medal and they'd place the responsibility on Belgium and Netherlands as favourites (basically what @The Mussile said). Healy said he was riding for silver once Pogacar went I believe. @MudMeanderer I wonder if next year will be hard enough to attract Vingegaard. I do think WVA might have made a difference this year. Almost certain he goes with Pogacar if Evenepoel doesn't in the situation yesterday. Clearly Pogacar should win that battle over 100km but the question is whether he keeps going with WVA sitting on. |
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30 Sep
1:06pm, 30 Sep 2024
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MudMeanderer
It would be good to see if it could attract Vingegaard. I don't know how he'd do, as looking back through his one-day history, it's not stellar, but if he decided to focus on that who knows.
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30 Sep
2:24pm, 30 Sep 2024
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K5 Gus
What's the reason they don't allow radios ? Is it just a tradition thing, or something more specific ?
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30 Sep
2:40pm, 30 Sep 2024
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SPR
UCI have wanted to get rid of radios in races in general for a while (they tried a few years ago and there was a big rebellion against it IIRC). They think it promotes better racing. Riders and some races oppose this with one reason being safety. As UCI run the world champs fully they can impose the rules on radios.
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30 Sep
2:43pm, 30 Sep 2024
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SPR
2011 was the year I thought they tried to ban them but this article said it actually happened and lasted four years which I'd forgotten. rouleur.cc |
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30 Sep
2:44pm, 30 Sep 2024
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SPR
Sorry article doesn't say it lasted four years, so maybe my memory is correct.
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30 Sep
3:19pm, 30 Sep 2024
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The Mussile
I'd be okay with radios used for safety only. The only thing is if you ban radios for tactics then the teams will try to find ways round it. There are enough team helpers on the parcours already to pass on messages from the car. Smart watches and garmins could be a less safe way f passing on messages too
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