29 Nov
12:36pm, 29 Nov 2024
7,932 posts
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ThorntonRunner
Two issues we have as a country are shortage of housing and stagnant productivity growth. Neither of these are helped by large-scale immigration. Encouraging companies to invest in labour saving (and hence productivity improving) technology frees up labour for those roles for which there is a shortage (and for which we are encouraging immigration). This needs to be done in a way that respects those affected by the job losses and alternative roles and therein lies the rub. The influx of those in need either via small boats or from Ukraine/Hong Kong is a small fraction of the total annual immigration and can continue to be handled. The devil's I'm the detail but the announcements so far are not inconsistent with these aims. |
29 Nov
12:43pm, 29 Nov 2024
26,201 posts
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larkim
TROSaracen wrote: Larkim, no 24 year old goes out for the night completely unaware throughout they don’t have their phone with them. And then gets home, and it’s not there on the kitchen table charging etc, but is blundered across ‘some time later’ once the nice new shiny upgrade is in her hands. The story is utterly implausible and she’s lying. Today they don't. 10 years ago? I'm only pushing back against your certainty. I agree what you say has credibility and passes a sniff test for plausibility. @um assuming Sky's source is correct, if she pleaded guilty anyway, I agree she shouldn't try to protest innocence now, unless she is alleging some nefarious persuasion to obtain a guilty verdict. Though saying nothing on the advice of a solicitor should not be used as persuasive evidence, so I'd dismiss that. |
29 Nov
12:45pm, 29 Nov 2024
46,770 posts
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SPR
The criticism of Starmer is immigration is a punching bag rather than looking at the realities that the immigration is needed in the short to medium. He won't be looking to change things quickly if he wants growth.
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29 Nov
12:47pm, 29 Nov 2024
46,771 posts
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SPR
It basically ends up like the EU, blamed for all ills.
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29 Nov
12:56pm, 29 Nov 2024
26,202 posts
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larkim
Isn't it, perhaps, a little more subtle than that. At the end of the day I don't think most reasonable people have any issues with immigration for any given individual. It's only when the govt gives a sense that immigration is "out of control" that it becomes a real issue, particularly if that marries up with a specific local "concern" or "issue". If he can provide assurance that this govt is handling migration with a degree of "control" then he may be able to get the issue off the table. "Small boats" does seem to be being lanced as an issue simply by dealing with it "better". Proper, dignified but effective asylum handling and processing does seem to be getting "better". If he can keep that narrative going maybe we will see progress in the media etc? |
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29 Nov
1:08pm, 29 Nov 2024
7,933 posts
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ThorntonRunner
Yep - can't find the source of this now but a while ago I read that until recently there were 500 home office staff dealing with asylum requests. In the last year or so of Sunak this was increased to 2500. Those years of 500 led to a tripling of the time to process a request from 3 months to 9 months - hence tripling the cost of housing an asylum seeker. You could argue that for much of their time in office the Tories were happy to run down the processing in order to keep the small boats as an issue they thought was to their political advantage
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29 Nov
1:08pm, 29 Nov 2024
18,189 posts
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jda
LOL. File that under "passes the sniff test for someone sufficiently gullible that *everything* passes the sniff test".
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29 Nov
1:16pm, 29 Nov 2024
7,934 posts
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ThorntonRunner
Found it: And decisions It seems like the Tories only got their finger out when they realised their failure to "deal with the problem" was threatening their electoral chances. |
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29 Nov
1:18pm, 29 Nov 2024
26,203 posts
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larkim
jda wrote: LOL. File that under "passes the sniff test for someone sufficiently gullible that *everything* passes the sniff test". I'm guessing that's gullible old me. More than one thing can pass a sniff test:- - does it seem plausible that someone could be confused as to whether their work phone was stolen when mugged? Yes - how about if she didn't routinely carry the work phone, for example? - does it seem plausible that it's unlikely that a 24yo would not know if they had a phone on them or not? Yes - especially if that work phone was also their personal phone. She's made a very public statement on the record in her resignation letter which, if found to be untrue, would prevent her from ever returning to government I'd guess. So she's taken a big risk by not saying "I was young and I made a mistake". That's what makes me sceptical about whether she is lying or not. |
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29 Nov
2:02pm, 29 Nov 2024
46,773 posts
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SPR
It's not going to happen. The number needs to be seen to be coming down and Starmer himself has built into that being an issue. There might be nuance, but that's not what the politicians are feeding into.
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