17 Sep
8:04am, 17 Sep 2024
9,920 posts
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simbil
Probably a good idea to make sentencing not political as it will probably work better outside of a 4/5 year election cycle rather than flip-flopping, but sentencing is one of those arguments that will go on forever as people do not have a common view of the blend of punishment / rehabilitation / removal / restriction that crimes should be met with. These values are fundamentally what politics is built on though - so it's really tricky.
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17 Sep
8:50am, 17 Sep 2024
19,150 posts
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JamieKai *chameleon*
riggys99 wrote: To be honest I just feel the sentence doesn’t give sufficient punishment as well as rehabilitation. I don’t see how rehabilitation can change someone’s sexual preferences. You can make a heterosexual homosexual and vice versa (not comparing either to what he has done). In my working life I have seen people manipulate psych teams to get what they want by how they answer questions etc. If he “fails” the rehabilitation will a prison sentence follow or just further rehabilitation. I don’t underestimate the work a stretches probation service does my son works with ex offenders. Maybe I am more of a flog em person than I would like to admit. Why are you bringing sexuality into this? And in what world do you think conversion works? |
17 Sep
8:53am, 17 Sep 2024
69,803 posts
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LindsD
I *think* it should say 'can't'
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17 Sep
8:56am, 17 Sep 2024
17,817 posts
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jda
Dave A wrote: From the BBC: ‘The court heard that in another exchange with Williams, Edwards replied "yes" followed by three 'X's when asked whether he wanted sexual images of a person whose "age could be discerned as being between 14 and 16".’ Apologies if someone has already covered this in a reply. Thanks Dave A, I clearly hadn't been paying sufficient attention and was giving undue credence to the minimisation of the defence. Conniving and colluding in getting underage stuff is clearly inexcusable and not in any way accidental. |
17 Sep
9:03am, 17 Sep 2024
3,836 posts
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riggys99
It should say can’t sorry JamieKai *chameleon* wrote:
riggys99 wrote:To be honest I just feel the sentence doesn’t give sufficient punishment as well as rehabilitation. I don’t see how rehabilitation can change someone’s sexual preferences. You can make a heterosexual homosexual and vice versa (not comparing either to what he has done). In my working life I have seen people manipulate psych teams to get what they want by how they answer questions etc. If he “fails” the rehabilitation will a prison sentence follow or just further rehabilitation. I don’t underestimate the work a stretches probation service does my son works with ex offenders. Maybe I am more of a flog em person than I would like to admit. Why are you bringing sexuality into this? And in what world do you think conversion works? |
17 Sep
9:06am, 17 Sep 2024
25,618 posts
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larkim
I don't think you can remove sentencing from politics. At the end of the day, one of the most important things that politicians do is set the framework for law and order. But once the politicians have settled on a position, it's wrong to criticise the judiciary for implementing it either broadly or on a case by case basis. |
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17 Sep
9:24am, 17 Sep 2024
17,818 posts
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jda
And on the “Labour are just the same as the tories” front I’d like to acknowledge that they aren’t quite the same and in some respects are clearly better, eg: theguardian.com |
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17 Sep
9:27am, 17 Sep 2024
19,151 posts
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JamieKai *chameleon*
riggys99 wrote: It should say can’t sorry Still feels like you're feeding into the trope of child sexual abuse being a sexuality issue. |
17 Sep
10:37am, 17 Sep 2024
29,294 posts
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richmac
I suspect Moggs motivation to curtail WFH is commercial property interest
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17 Sep
10:45am, 17 Sep 2024
33,127 posts
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Johnny Blaze
I think it's more that he sees himself as a Victorian overseer in a 19th century cotton mill.
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