6 Sep
11:23am, 6 Sep 2024
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paulcook
J2R wrote: I was disappointed in the general election that the Conservatives didn't suffer the full Canada '93 wipeout they so richly deserved. I'm wondering now, though, whether what actually happened may mean they remain out of power for longer. They can still cling on to the illusion that it was just a failure to communicate properly and they just need to be a bit more obviously right wing and the votes will come back to them. So they go on to elect someone who has zero chance of becoming PM (such as Jenrick), who will keep them in the doldrums for another electoral cycle. A full wipeout would likely have meant a root and branch overhaul and possibly a more realistic appraisal of why they lost so badly, with more of a chance to do something about it and bounce back. According to Opinium today, Starmer's approval rating has gone from +18 to -12 inside 40 days. He still has plenty of time to prove himself otherwise, but neither side seems to be exactly favourable with the electorate right now. |
6 Sep
3:03pm, 6 Sep 2024
22,961 posts
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DeeGee
Fields wrote: Well if the product of a vote by the people is just Macron chooses who he wants anyway then there’s a democratic deficit and too much power concentrated in one person - le president The fifth republic was set up by CDG though from memory just after the Algiers crisis so go figure. Then again France is still clinging to its empire even worse than this country - eg in New Caledonia - so what’s new Apologies for coming to the table late. Indeed, the constitution of the fifth republic was written up on the demand of de Gaulle with the aim of concentrating as much power in the hands of de Gaulle as he could get away with. Executive powers to resolve a rapidly changing situation with regard to decolonisation of the French Empire, but with little practical justification in the modern world. I can't think of another modern "western" *functioning* democracy with as much power in the hands of the head of state as France. |
6 Sep
4:43pm, 6 Sep 2024
17,760 posts
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jda
I don’t think Labour would dare to big up Jenrick’s anti-refugee credentials, they are too busy trying to stake a claim to that ground themselves.
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6 Sep
5:19pm, 6 Sep 2024
33,055 posts
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Johnny Blaze
Is that why they cancelled the Rwanda scheme day one? And the barge? Cor...They are blimming cunning aren't they? |
6 Sep
5:27pm, 6 Sep 2024
45,985 posts
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SPR
TBF the main reason they stated for the Rwanda that was cost and it being ineffective. I think they'd have been more equivocal about it if it was cost effective even if they believed it was cruel.
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6 Sep
5:43pm, 6 Sep 2024
6,368 posts
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paulcook
And oddly we could now apparently be paying Germany to use the same facilities as a processing centre.
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6 Sep
6:19pm, 6 Sep 2024
4,462 posts
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Cheg
Come on they do the right things and now we are breaking their balls for potentially not doing it for the right reasons? This place loves being sad.
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6 Sep
6:20pm, 6 Sep 2024
11,596 posts
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Fields
The Rwanda scheme may be cancelled but Labour are still doing deportation flights - several have gone to Brazil and other countries, probably low hanging fruit as they’re visa overstayers. The deaths in the channel this week - blood on labours hands for failing to set up safe routes Looking forward to the Blaze spin on this |
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6 Sep
6:26pm, 6 Sep 2024
45,986 posts
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SPR
It's not about breaking their balls about not doing it for the right reasons, it's understanding that they might still want to be seen as tough on immigration. Even many of those on way on right thought Rwanda was ineffective and cost way too much.
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6 Sep
7:35pm, 6 Sep 2024
4,463 posts
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Cheg
Visa overstayers rightly sent back? For, well overstaying their visas. I would expect that from any number of countries in the world.
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