30 Aug
9:45am, 30 Aug 2024
27,321 posts
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Bazoaxe
Whilst I sympathise with the smoking ban, I dont fully get the outdoor bit. The rationale seems to be NHS impact related, but not sure an outdoor ban will have any impact on NHS as people will still smoke and if thats the issue a full on ban is the way to go, albeit that creates other issues with the illegal supply
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30 Aug
9:46am, 30 Aug 2024
25,456 posts
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larkim
Yep, as many have pointed out - the creeping cigarette ban was in the manifesto McVey was just elected on. That said, I can see how it looks different to be adding restrictions on use for those who are legally allowed to buy them. If I was a 45yo pub-frequenting smoker, the ban on selling to younger citizens wouldn't bother me in the slightest, but banning it in the pub garden would probably annoy me, whether or not I was a Tory or Labour voter at the last election. |
30 Aug
9:47am, 30 Aug 2024
24,666 posts
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3M
That proposed ban was possibly the only good idea Sunak had during his time in office.
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30 Aug
9:48am, 30 Aug 2024
25,457 posts
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larkim
I suppose the point of the outdoor ban would be to try to disassociate smoking with enjoyable, social occasions and just try to alienate smokers a little more to reduce the pervasiveness of the habit. Just this week we've annoyed the smokers at our work place by moving the designated smoking area to somewhere less convenient and pleasant. They are a feisty lot though, lots of push-back! |
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30 Aug
9:52am, 30 Aug 2024
24,667 posts
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3M
[My favourite smoking shelter in a former office site was located overlooking an undertakers' yard, complete with arrivals and departures of hearses.  ]
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30 Aug
9:55am, 30 Aug 2024
17,713 posts
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jda
She didn't quote the communist bit did she? Or socialist, or something. Anyway it was laughable. Disappointed that none of the Starmerites here have found the time to explain to me how his rejection of mobility scheme is all part of his pro-EU 6-dimensional chess game that I'm just too simple-minded to understand. FWIW we have mobility schemes with a wide assortment of countries including Australia, Japan, Iceland (not a member of the hateful EU, but definitely in Europe) and several others. But as for our closest neighbours where people might actually want to go, and can do so cheaply and conveniently? Go on, tell me how different it is to the Tories rejection of the same. Tell me how it's not just pandering to a dwindling handful of spiteful racists. |
30 Aug
9:59am, 30 Aug 2024
4,477 posts
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Bob!
Johnny Blaze wrote: Wasn't Rishi going to ban cigarettes completely with his cray cray creeping ban policy? Labour is running with that as well as the outdoor smoking though! news.sky.com |
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30 Aug
10:02am, 30 Aug 2024
27,324 posts
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Bazoaxe
larkim, smokers will smoke wherever they fancy regardless of the impact. The indoor ban pushed them outside. The pub garden ban will push them on the streets. My holiday flight this year was delayed as one bampot ignored the risks and took the chance for a smoke on the short walk from airport to the plane. The captain refused to accept her and she got offboarded while we had to wait as they found her case. The rest of her party travelled anyway. |
30 Aug
10:04am, 30 Aug 2024
4,421 posts
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Cheg
I’m calm jda. The racists, the wasteful, the selfish conservatives are out. Labour are the good guys, the competent, the reasonable and thoughtful. They’ve inherited a mess. They are working through it. I hope they are given the two terms they need. I’m sure he would like the German proposal, and things that involve much closer relations but he doesn’t want to scare the horses or whatever the saying is. All in good time, and he won’t do everything I’d like but that’s ok. He isn’t them. |
30 Aug
10:07am, 30 Aug 2024
11,555 posts
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Fields
All these people slagging off communism forget that there was far greater gender equality in East Germany than in West Germany as well as in the reunified German state today. ucl.ac.uk |
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